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Nirvana_Nut85 said:

Would you take such a comment as "Self loathing atheists who have the inane idea that this universe just magically happened by chance because they do not have the mental capacity to see the forest through the trees" as an ignorant comment? I'm sure you would.

P.S Before anyone gets offended, this comment was an example of how people of religious belief percieve comments like "dsgrue3" made. 

Since atheism isn't a belief, I wouldn't care if you made such a fallacious conflation of terms. You don't have to accept the BBT simply because you're an atheist.

If you wish to refer to commonly held theories as magic, you should probably seek further education on the matter. 

outlawauron said:
dsgrue3 said:

"PRINCETON, NJ -- Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years. "

http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/Hold-Creationist-View-Human-Origins.aspx

That would confirm my other assertions.

A gallup poll is enough for you? I don't see how creationism equates  to being delusional, indoctrinated fools who ascribe to the ideologies of bronze age jerusalem. I also assume you're throwing Judaism (and I suspect Islam) into this label as well.

Nor do I see how a singular belief (especially one based in faith) makes someone unable to comprehend logic.

Unless you're suggesting the people who participated in the poll lied about their beliefs, I can't see why you're arguing it.

Their beliefs are based upon a book dated to the Bronze age. 

A faith-based belief is illogical by definition. Belief devoid of evidence is illogical and not how rational beings operate.

Cirio said:

And I'm talking about the OT section which was completely unnecessary and added nothing but hatred to a topic that is supposed to be about celebration for this historical moment. The irony behind this is that people of religion on this topic are happy and/or fine with this movement, yet we have you, who (I presume is) an atheist who is spewing hatred and insults.

Like another poster said, grow up, and please learn to accept views other than your own without insulting others.

I disagree.

It is completely necessary. Religion is the reason gay marriage is struggling to gain traction throughout the US. Surely you realize this? If not, grab a history book and start reading.



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Here in Argentina we had same sex marriage for about 2 or 3 years if I recall correctly!



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Cirio said:

And I'm talking about the OT section which was completely unnecessary and added nothing but hatred to a topic that is supposed to be about celebration for this historical moment. The irony behind this is that people of religion on this topic are happy and/or fine with this movement, yet we have you, who (I presume is) an atheist who is spewing hatred and insults.

Like another poster said, grow up, and please learn to accept views other than your own without insulting others.

I disagree.

It is completely necessary. Religion is the reason gay marriage is struggling to gain traction throughout the US. Surely you realize this? If not, grab a history book and start reading.

So your method of getting your voice across is through insulting religion and the people who believe in religion? Maybe you should grab a book in psychology and learn how you're only hurting your position rather than helping it.



Cirio said:

So your method of getting your voice across is through insulting religion and the people who believe in religion? Maybe you should grab a book in psychology and learn how you're only hurting your position rather than helping it.

You seem quite content attacking straw men.

I was very specific. I choose my words carefully. I was referring to solely the people of whom I've stated. The OT section is not open to interpretation. It's very clear which people I've decided to call out for their transgressions. 



Screamapillar said:

I think it's sad that "marriage equality" seems to only apply to homosexuals. What about a man who wants more than one wife, or a woman who wants more than one husband? Why are they denied the same privileges, if most of us seem to be in agreement that homosexuals ought to be lawfully allowed to marry?

Shouldn't "marriage equality" apply to all groups, and not just one or two groups? It seems very narrow, for people who claim to be so open-minded.

I might also add that I don't see how we've gotten to a point in the United States where we look to Washington, D.C. to answer all of our problems. Why do they need to validate everything for us? Why is marriage an issue of federal jurisdiction in the first place? People ought to marry whoever or whomever they choose in their home or in their church, and it's not the federal governments business whatsoever.

I say leave it entirely to the states, or leave it entirely to individuals to do what they choose. I'm very concerned that so many people are over-looking the dangerous road we've taken in this country. We seem to have this insatiable desire to have distant politicians decide things for us, and it's the exactly the opposite of how things ought to be.

That is how the founding fathers envisioned the country.  The average person is not informed or intelligent enough to make the correct choices, and that is why we have the system we have today.  The people don't vote on the issues, they elect somebody who they think will make the choices that they agree with.  



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Excellent news.



Man, this is what i hate most about the pro-homosexual couples marriage croud. they are intentionally dishonest. They manpulate and twist the wording of the argument, by using terms like marriage equality. When they no full well, its not, its not equal marriage. there are still numerous forms of marriage that are still excluded, or never mentioned by this crowd. perhaps becuase it puts them in an uncomfortable position, it exposes the hypocrasy, or they only selectively care about the type of "marriage equality.

i wonder if this ruling will have any ramifacations on other forms of marriage, like polygamous, incest, mom marrying son, marrying dad, and cousin. 3 guys and 15 wives. brother sister, what have you. Maybe now there'll be a push to lower the age of consent, why do people discriminate against the pediphile that wants to marry that 16 year old. they love each other! why 18, why not 17, 16, 15 or even 12. most people (especially girls have reached puberty by that point).

 

for the record i am neither for nor against gay couples marriage. im for the government getting out of marriage all together.



Haha good news, sucks for the haters and some religious zealots, though.

I still wonder why people have so much trouble with this. Perhaps I've grown in a really liberal family? None of my business who my friends fuck with. I have straight and gay friends and I like to think everyone can have the same rights.



Good there is really no reason to oppose it



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m0ney said:

God hates buttsieks.

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God says lots of things, even though they may be contradictory. 



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