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blkfish92 on 18 June 2013

It's that damn Kinect Sensor which comes packed in every console.



           

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ethomaz on 18 June 2013
blkfish92 said:
It's that damn Kinect Sensor which comes packed in every console.

It is but I think the APU is the biggest factor here.



chapset on 18 June 2013
fillet said:
chapset said:
Kinect plus the inbox tv tuner?


I'd forgotten about Kinect, but Major Nelson has recently openly stated that there is no tuner in the Xbox One and it is simply depending on it's HDMI in for TV duties from a set top box.

Not sure how that's going to work personally because HDMI is quite limited in terms of sending signals other than basic "on/off/change channel", really don't know how the Xbox One will even know what channel it's on let alone the super advanced stuff shown in the Xbox One reveal in terms of the EPG/TV Guide and so forth.

Also noted that there certainly weren't any coaxial inputs on the backplate of the Xbox One for a dish feed to be used as an input.

I don't even have an HDMI port on my cable box, Microsoft is discriminating against me



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RenCutypoison on 18 June 2013

Kinect



MonstaMack on 18 June 2013

Kinect and Microsoft's business model of being profitable on day one.



It's just that simple.

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papamudd on 18 June 2013

I'd say effectively it is because they are targeting a smaller audience this time around at release than the audience of the 360 so they felt the higher price would be relevant as those that intended to buy an X1 would mostly be fans of MS offerings and price wouldn't matter.



Talal said:
I will permaban myself if the game releases in 2014.

in reference to KH3 release date

fillet on 18 June 2013
ethomaz said:

fillet said:

I didn't know about the different APU, thought that it was just that Microsoft was using an inferior version of the same base generation APU, like say a 7950 vs a 7970 graphics card.

Do you have a link as quite interested to read up on that, is it a difference size manufacturing process or something as a less powerful APU should surely be smaller if smae manufacturing process?

(Sorry I'm not that clued up these days on the technical stuff with the next gen consoles).

The GPU is weaked and cheaper into the Xbone APU but everything else is expensive...

Xbone APU (5 billions transistors, ~450mm²)
+ CPU 8-core Jaguar
+ GPU 12CUs
+ 256bits Memory Controller
+ 4 DataMoves units
+ 32MB eSRAM

PS4 APU (3 billions transistors, ~250mm²)
+ CPU 8-core Jaguar
+ GPU 18CUs
+ 256bits Memory Controller

The biggest difference between APU is the 4 DataMoves units and 32MB of eSRAM... only the eSRAM is close to 2 billion transistors.

The size are my estimates based in the official transistors counts... 450mm² vs 250mm².

Think like the Xbone have a "PS3 Cell" APU and PS4 have a "normal PC" APU.

Thanks for posting that information much appreciated. Had forgotten about the SRAM and didn't even know what DataMove units were!



Talal on 18 June 2013
disolitude said:
You people are saying that a piece of hardware has a fixed cost for both companies and that should determine what the final cost should be. This is wrong...

- We don't know what kind of cost the software development had for both consoles
- Microsoft is making their cloud services available to everyone for FREE. This costs money
- all the cable features that come with Xbox one probably cost more

And then you have things like bundled kinect, possibly a pack in game...who knows.


Don't you need Live for that?



LemonSlice on 18 June 2013
fillet said:
Ahhhh I'm a fool, of course hadn't even thought of Kinect...ooops.

But would that be it basically?


Doesn't the new Kinect cost about a 100$ to manufacture, maybe more? It's a nice piece of kit, just ain't sure why I'd want one.



fillet on 18 June 2013
chapset said:
fillet said:
chapset said:
Kinect plus the inbox tv tuner?


I'd forgotten about Kinect, but Major Nelson has recently openly stated that there is no tuner in the Xbox One and it is simply depending on it's HDMI in for TV duties from a set top box.

Not sure how that's going to work personally because HDMI is quite limited in terms of sending signals other than basic "on/off/change channel", really don't know how the Xbox One will even know what channel it's on let alone the super advanced stuff shown in the Xbox One reveal in terms of the EPG/TV Guide and so forth.

Also noted that there certainly weren't any coaxial inputs on the backplate of the Xbox One for a dish feed to be used as an input.

I don't even have an HDMI port on my cable box, Microsoft is discriminating against me

Well I suppose maybe MS are making up for not having HDMI on the Xbox 360 at launch so are putting in 2 just to make sure everyone's happy.

You can't please everyone all the time....or something :p