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Kasz216 on 23 June 2013
Kaizar said:
Kasz216 said:
Jumpin said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Superman. His sneeze can blow away solar systems, and can survive super nova explosions. Can reach speeds 8x faster than light. Spoiler: can fly away and withstand a singularity black hole. See movie: Man of Steel.


Saying anything can reach 8X the speed of light is logically absurd considering what we have known about light speed travel for about 100 years now. That's like saying Superman can travel 8 times the speed of infinite because, relative to a photon traveling between two points, the space time distance to travel between is 0 and therefore instant, or at infinite speed between any two points no matter what their distance.

If you were accelerating at any rate towards a destination, the dilation of space time would cause you to reach the destination object before light speed could be reached. For example, if you were traveling from earth to an object 10 light years away, and accelerated so that you could hit it in 10 minutes, relative to you, light still travels at your speed + C, but the universe for you has shrunk in size relative to you due to time dilation. When you speed back to earth in 10 minutes; 20 minutes will have passed for you, but ~19 years, 364 days, 23 hours, and 40 minutes, would have passed for everyone else. Relative to them, you were traveling close to the speed of C for nearly 20 years. Relative to you, the journey was much shorter.


In the real world sure.  However in the DC Universe things are a bit different.  There is an additional force in the universe called the speed force.  Beings who tap into it can in fact travel faster then the speed of light.   This is because the Speed force essentially reverses the basic forces of speed as we understand them.

 

When a character like Superman or Flash speeds up, instead of time speeding up looking like you watching the universe in fast foward, the opposite happens.  Time around you slows down.


In real life, scientist in Europe have accindentaly discover that it is possible to travel faster then the speed of light. I think this was discovered using the supercollider.


Eh, not really.  They thought they did, but they just had faulty data.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/02/22/einstein-was-right-all-along-faster-than-light-neutrino-was-product-of-error/



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deskpro2k3 on 23 June 2013
Miguel_Zorro said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Superman. His sneeze can blow away solar systems, and can survive super nova explosions. Can reach speeds 8x faster than light. Spoiler: can fly away and withstand a singularity black hole. See movie: Man of Steel.


Haha.  Apparently the earth can survive that too. :)


if it was larger and continuous, the world would be gone but superman will still live. He doesn't need a planet to live on, all he needs is the sun. He can even live inside the sun.



Accela on 23 June 2013

I hate ridiculously overpowered characters. It's like they're god modding.



ShinmenTakezo on 23 June 2013
Kasz216 said:

Eh. What people don't get about the Dragonball Z Universe is that their physical stats greatly lag behind their Ki output stats.

Master Roshi can planet bust a moon... while his physical stats are WELL below your average character with super strength. Yet his punches deal about the same level damage to an opponent as his energy attacks.

Ki attacks either are largely ineffective on people, or martial artists in the dragon ball Z Universe develop some level of innate ki resistance from their training.


Physically Superman just outclasses him too much... and also, honestly probably outclasses him in energy projection. (though not by nearly as much.)


Superman has never destroyed a planet... but he's Superman. Why would he.  (He has destroyed a moon through in a manner like friexa, but just through pure strength.



It's worth noting that his heat vision is hotter then the sun which has been shown as something that can kill DBZ characters with ease, and he's used this heat vision before to move planets.... while under a red sun (which HUGELY weakens his powers), he's covered an entire planet in heat vision and can burrow through earth far faster then Freeza's core detroying energy blasts can. (Who is well well below Vegito, but it's just pointing out how Frieza's planet busting feats aren't in the least impressive vs superman.)  His heat vision is generally considered stronger then his fists.  (It's also a burning/drilling type energy, not explosive like DBZ.)

 

 

I'm no great fan of superman, but he should take a battle vs any DBZ character pretty handily.  The only chance Vegito would have is Superman's innate "carefulness/stupidity" in combat.

He tries to fight to his opponents level to avoid hurting them, so if he H2H's vs Vegito for a while and ends up unharmed and assusming Vegito is completely weak, he might be stupid enough to take a planet busting blast head on without dodging.  Of course Vegito isn't known for his smart fighting either.  Seemingly combining the worst aspects of both characters.  The Arrogance of Vegeta with the Playfullness of Goku.

If we're talking each character wants to take the other down/kill each other/doesn't hold back.

Superman is just too fast, two strong and his heat vision is something Vegito just can't stand up against.

Or he could just fly goku into space if they fight in an uninhabited universe.  Superman can hold his breath and there would be noone Vegito coud Instant Transmission to.

Of course a full powered superman would be a boring fight/character, since he'd just lobotomize all of his enemies from orbit.  Like Justice Lords superman.

 


Dragonball Z Characters are a lot  like Wolverine, in that their power is greatly overrated.  It's just worse because unlike Wolverine, DBZ characters have high levels of power.

Just not Superman/Silver Surfer levels of power.

The DBZ characters durability increases with their power level. It has been displayed time and time again. The original dragon ball, where the characters powers were just past elite martial artists, goku took an axe to the head and the axe broke. When a character is more powerful than another, the stronger character shrugs off and absorbs all physical attacks. Attacks strong enough to reduce mountains to rubble.

Superman's power and durability have fluctuated greatly throughout time. The thing is no matter how strong the opponent, he is portrayed as a physical match usually.

I also strongly dissagree that Wolverine's power is overrated. I think it is greatly underrated, but that is a discusion for another thread.



OneHappyGamer:) on 24 June 2013

you know what would be a real fight? Superman Prime vs. SSJ God Vegetto after training in perfect training conditions for 15,000 years (which I think could be near equivalent to Superman being in the centre of the sun for 15,000 years)
but we all know this man here could beat both with one hand tied behind his back

after all, all they use are cheap tricks right?



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DucksUnlimited on 24 June 2013

I'd just like to point out that the balls are inert.



Kasz216 on 24 June 2013
ShinmenTakezo said:
Kasz216 said:

Eh. What people don't get about the Dragonball Z Universe is that their physical stats greatly lag behind their Ki output stats.

Master Roshi can planet bust a moon... while his physical stats are WELL below your average character with super strength. Yet his punches deal about the same level damage to an opponent as his energy attacks.

Ki attacks either are largely ineffective on people, or martial artists in the dragon ball Z Universe develop some level of innate ki resistance from their training.


Physically Superman just outclasses him too much... and also, honestly probably outclasses him in energy projection. (though not by nearly as much.)


Superman has never destroyed a planet... but he's Superman. Why would he.  (He has destroyed a moon through in a manner like friexa, but just through pure strength.



It's worth noting that his heat vision is hotter then the sun which has been shown as something that can kill DBZ characters with ease, and he's used this heat vision before to move planets.... while under a red sun (which HUGELY weakens his powers), he's covered an entire planet in heat vision and can burrow through earth far faster then Freeza's core detroying energy blasts can. (Who is well well below Vegito, but it's just pointing out how Frieza's planet busting feats aren't in the least impressive vs superman.)  His heat vision is generally considered stronger then his fists.  (It's also a burning/drilling type energy, not explosive like DBZ.)

 

 

I'm no great fan of superman, but he should take a battle vs any DBZ character pretty handily.  The only chance Vegito would have is Superman's innate "carefulness/stupidity" in combat.

He tries to fight to his opponents level to avoid hurting them, so if he H2H's vs Vegito for a while and ends up unharmed and assusming Vegito is completely weak, he might be stupid enough to take a planet busting blast head on without dodging.  Of course Vegito isn't known for his smart fighting either.  Seemingly combining the worst aspects of both characters.  The Arrogance of Vegeta with the Playfullness of Goku.

If we're talking each character wants to take the other down/kill each other/doesn't hold back.

Superman is just too fast, two strong and his heat vision is something Vegito just can't stand up against.

Or he could just fly goku into space if they fight in an uninhabited universe.  Superman can hold his breath and there would be noone Vegito coud Instant Transmission to.

Of course a full powered superman would be a boring fight/character, since he'd just lobotomize all of his enemies from orbit.  Like Justice Lords superman.

 


Dragonball Z Characters are a lot  like Wolverine, in that their power is greatly overrated.  It's just worse because unlike Wolverine, DBZ characters have high levels of power.

Just not Superman/Silver Surfer levels of power.

The DBZ characters durability increases with their power level. It has been displayed time and time again. The original dragon ball, where the characters powers were just past elite martial artists, goku took an axe to the head and the axe broke. When a character is more powerful than another, the stronger character shrugs off and absorbs all physical attacks. Attacks strong enough to reduce mountains to rubble.

Superman's power and durability have fluctuated greatly throughout time. The thing is no matter how strong the opponent, he is portrayed as a physical match usually.

I also strongly dissagree that Wolverine's power is overrated. I think it is greatly underrated, but that is a discusion for another thread.

A) I've seen people argue Wolverine would beat Darth Vader in a fight.

B) Superman's Powerlevel fluctatues with his opponent because Superman is always holding back.

C)  DBZ Physical attacks weren't ever really shown to be all that powerful.  They're no stronger then what any average Class 100 Marvel brawler can do.



Kasz216 on 24 June 2013
OneHappyGamer:) said:

you know what would be a real fight? Superman Prime vs. SSJ God Vegetto after training in perfect training conditions for 15,000 years (which I think could be near equivalent to Superman being in the centre of the sun for 15,000 years)
but we all know this man here could beat both with one hand tied behind his back

after all, all they use are cheap tricks right?

Eh, not really.

Superman prime is supposed to be omnipotent and does things like create life instantly from nothing.

Basically, Superman prime = Christain God... because that was the only way to make him even more ludicriously overpowered... since Superman already smacks around regular gods.

Super Saiyan god is more or less around Greek God Status.  (Chinese gods being a bit weaker etc.). 

In general, I think if you asked Akira Toriyama... chances are you'd find out even he doesn't think Goku would beat Superman.  Hell... goku is in part a tribute TO Superman.  (And if you get a chance to ask that, ask him how the fuck Vegeta counts as "Pure Hearted."  Spike the Devil Man would blow his ass away for sure.)



ShinmenTakezo on 24 June 2013
Kasz216 said:
ShinmenTakezo said:
Kasz216 said:

Eh. What people don't get about the Dragonball Z Universe is that their physical stats greatly lag behind their Ki output stats.

Master Roshi can planet bust a moon... while his physical stats are WELL below your average character with super strength. Yet his punches deal about the same level damage to an opponent as his energy attacks.

Ki attacks either are largely ineffective on people, or martial artists in the dragon ball Z Universe develop some level of innate ki resistance from their training.


Physically Superman just outclasses him too much... and also, honestly probably outclasses him in energy projection. (though not by nearly as much.)


Superman has never destroyed a planet... but he's Superman. Why would he.  (He has destroyed a moon through in a manner like friexa, but just through pure strength.



It's worth noting that his heat vision is hotter then the sun which has been shown as something that can kill DBZ characters with ease, and he's used this heat vision before to move planets.... while under a red sun (which HUGELY weakens his powers), he's covered an entire planet in heat vision and can burrow through earth far faster then Freeza's core detroying energy blasts can. (Who is well well below Vegito, but it's just pointing out how Frieza's planet busting feats aren't in the least impressive vs superman.)  His heat vision is generally considered stronger then his fists.  (It's also a burning/drilling type energy, not explosive like DBZ.)

 

 

I'm no great fan of superman, but he should take a battle vs any DBZ character pretty handily.  The only chance Vegito would have is Superman's innate "carefulness/stupidity" in combat.

He tries to fight to his opponents level to avoid hurting them, so if he H2H's vs Vegito for a while and ends up unharmed and assusming Vegito is completely weak, he might be stupid enough to take a planet busting blast head on without dodging.  Of course Vegito isn't known for his smart fighting either.  Seemingly combining the worst aspects of both characters.  The Arrogance of Vegeta with the Playfullness of Goku.

If we're talking each character wants to take the other down/kill each other/doesn't hold back.

Superman is just too fast, two strong and his heat vision is something Vegito just can't stand up against.

Or he could just fly goku into space if they fight in an uninhabited universe.  Superman can hold his breath and there would be noone Vegito coud Instant Transmission to.

Of course a full powered superman would be a boring fight/character, since he'd just lobotomize all of his enemies from orbit.  Like Justice Lords superman.

 


Dragonball Z Characters are a lot  like Wolverine, in that their power is greatly overrated.  It's just worse because unlike Wolverine, DBZ characters have high levels of power.

Just not Superman/Silver Surfer levels of power.

The DBZ characters durability increases with their power level. It has been displayed time and time again. The original dragon ball, where the characters powers were just past elite martial artists, goku took an axe to the head and the axe broke. When a character is more powerful than another, the stronger character shrugs off and absorbs all physical attacks. Attacks strong enough to reduce mountains to rubble.

Superman's power and durability have fluctuated greatly throughout time. The thing is no matter how strong the opponent, he is portrayed as a physical match usually.

I also strongly dissagree that Wolverine's power is overrated. I think it is greatly underrated, but that is a discusion for another thread.

A) I've seen people argue Wolverine would beat Darth Vader in a fight.

B) Superman's Powerlevel fluctatues with his opponent because Superman is always holding back.

C)  DBZ Physical attacks weren't ever really shown to be all that powerful.  They're no stronger then what any average Class 100 Marvel brawler can do.


A) I've heard people argue about plenty of fights between various characters. That doesn't mean the character's power is over or underrated.

B) Where in the comics does it say he is always holding back? The writers of the comic at any given time decide supes power level, that is why it fluctuates. Just like every other comic character in creation that has been portrayed by multiple writers.

C)DBZ character's physical attacks, as well as their durability are augmented by their ki. I don't know what manga you have read, or anime you have watched, but every characters physical abilities is directly related to their ki. They regularly destroy the lanscape around them before launching any type of energy attack. They get flung through mountains and survive. Nappa ripped through planes and ships as if it was nothing. That was way before their fights endangered the planets they took place on. They can survive in 400 x earths gravity + while training. I would say they are pretty freakin durable.



zzamaro on 24 June 2013

I might be wront about a detail about Supermen but no one because they don't kill their opponents. The video by screwwhatever sucks because he killed Goku. If Superman doesn't kill people like Lex who is bad guy, why would he start with Goku?.



Sorry for bad English.