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oniyide said:
Agreed should have just went all digital and have it be an actualy cable box. At least then it would not look like they were half assing anything IMHO


Exactly, consumers in general like simplicity. That is why apple is so successful. They know how to make things elegant and simple.



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The X1 not working outside the listed countries hardly gives any option.



Xbox one will also be able to access full tv from cable providers via a cable provider app. I work at sky in the uk. Sky are currently building a new xbox one app where you can access all its tv through that negating the need for the cable box. Similar to 360 but this time with access to every station and full recording available.

we are also under the impression that virgin in the uk are building 1 to for xbox one. So your 2nd point isn't very valid. I believe from the info o. This i have from work is the cable box thing is an option for those who haven't set up the online side of their sky or vitgin package. In fact with sky you can pay per month just for the online side which will be the app.

the xbox one imo is actually an awesome machine. Drm and used games are not an issue. 10 game family sharing and instant game and app switching is gonna be amazing.



Multimedialover said:
Xbox one will also be able to access full tv from cable providers via a cable provider app. I work at sky in the uk. Sky are currently building a new xbox one app where you can access all its tv through that negating the need for the cable box. Similar to 360 but this time with access to every station and full recording available.

we are also under the impression that virgin in the uk are building 1 to for xbox one. So your 2nd point isn't very valid. I believe from the info o. This i have from work is the cable box thing is an option for those who haven't set up the online side of their sky or vitgin package. In fact with sky you can pay per month just for the online side which will be the app.

the xbox one imo is actually an awesome machine. Drm and used games are not an issue. 10 game family sharing and instant game and app switching is gonna be amazing.


Okay, if that is true then that's a good thing but based on what was said at the conference I thought they were just using hdmi pass through to access tv. If they really are doing that then it needs to be a selling point. They need to advertise that and let people know that they intend to replace their cable box. I know they have it on the 360 for verizon, but the general public never hears about it. It isn't advertised by either microsoft or verizon and that is a problem.



I agree in that the bone is trying to be a digital console in which you can resell, share, trade, give away games(which benifits the customer) and kickback money to other parties depending on the type of sale(benifits the publishers and select resellers). The 24 hour check is a direct result of this. Im not sure why they couldnt have offline play with a disk check though.

People say that if it was all digital it would be better but there would still be the public backlash. No reselling(which you can do on PS4), not being able to get games cause of no or slow internet or bandwith caps. Im sure the backlash would be as bad. Players would be mad. Retailers would be mad because once they sell the console(which typically have low profit margins) theres no money to be mad on software sales. MS has made a difficult balancing act between gamer, publisher and retailer/reseller.



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wilco said:

The reason sony's "were not changing anything" policy works, isn't just because its "not evil", its because its crazy simple. It doesn't require a 10 page rule book and people like that.

Nailed it.



wilco said:
The Fury said:

You seem to be mistaken that MS need to please anyone but the gamers. No gamers on your console, publishers won't sell games, they'll produce less for it and spend less time on it. Retailers will notice your console games don't sell well and dedicate more space to the ones that do.

Please gamers, then please everyone else.

On your points, 1 isn't an option, they'd alienate too many people too quickly. In option 2 though you are right, they are in a weird middle ground and they aren't quite a TV box but it is hard to enter such a market like that when established companies already hold huge ground.

You seem to be mistaken in thinking that they need to please ALL gamers. There are many different kinds of gamers, microsoft needs to decide which audience they are targeting and stick with that. If microsoft feels digital download is the future, they should target internet connected gamers and let that be the end of it, the kind that are used to being strictly digital. Physical discs is just a waste of time for that audience. People forget how big of a deal it was when microsoft chose to go broadband only with the first xbox. A LOT of people still had dial up back then, myself included. But they made the right decision.

Also, you think microsoft isn't alienating people already? Atleast by getting rid of the optical drive they could alienate them and save money at the same time. I'm sure apple alienated people when they released touch screen devices without input keys, but guess what? Forward looking individuals saw the value in it and they bought it anyways. The console does not need to be for everyone.

Pleasing ALL gamers and even those who aren't considered gamers is their goal however you mistook my meaning. When I say gamers, I mean potential customers. A customer will buy games but if you do not have enough customers your product will not succeed, regardless of if you attempt to secure a certain audience. Included in this certain audience are those that would be alienated.

You are saying they should not have gone for that bigger audience/customer base but a far far smaller one but one more likely to spend the cash? but that is against their intended goal and not something they would have done. They want to be in the living room of the family home, not the bedroom on a 20 something guy in a shared household (disposable imcome or not).



Hmm, pie.

Tbh, their problem is that PS4 is just too similar with Xbox One without the DRM, without the region lock, without the always online 24 hour check ins, a cheaper price tag and without Sony's exclusives.

How can you go wrong with PS4?



oniyide said:
Agreed should have just went all digital and have it be an actualy cable box. At least then it would not look like they were half assing anything IMHO

That would be worse, most people Internet is not fast enough to download 25-50GB games in a resonnable time also a lot of people have a download cap, if they went that way their possible user base would be even smaller than what it is right now.



Bet reminder: I bet with Tboned51 that Splatoon won't reach the 1 million shipped mark by the end of 2015. I win if he loses and I lose if I lost.

For the lack of a better object the Xbox One is like a spork. They are taking two useful items and are trying to make them the same item. Resulting in a fork that can't pierce and a spoon that pokes your mouth.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(