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Aldro on 22 June 2013
Munkeh111 said:
Aldro said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Aldro said:

Once again I would never ever bestow such a decision on my daughter.

If she says no -> That would make her feel like she's dooming humanity and she will feel responsible for the rest of her life.

She already kinda knows this, hence why she says at the end =>
"First it was Riley, then Tess, then Sam...".

Then Joel goes like
"Its not your fault and you always find something to believe in, now I know thats not what you want to hear right now.."

And shes like
"Swear to me".

So in a way, I feel her sub contious (spelling check?) is aware of the lie and wants to see if Joel is really going all the way. But another part of her chooses to believe Joel in order to cope with it all. Joel swears in order to remove any guilt she will ever feel. That is the sign of a true caring person. And that is exactly what I would do to someone I truly love even though it might and probably would eat away at me for years to come.

EDIT:
Fuck man this ending is really something <33333

No, Joel sweared because he doesn't want her to sacrifice herself. So he made up a story of how they weren't look for a cure anymore.

Also, he probably didn't he did a killing spree on the Fireflies. Lets not forget, he killed Marlene. The person Ellie knew all her life.

Exactly. He killed the fireflies and Marlene in order to make sure Ellie never has to go through that kind of a decision.

Your intepretation differs from mine and that's whats so great because I dont agree with it :D

He didn't necessarily kill all the fireflies... but my Joel definitely did, they gave me an assault rifle and extra ammo for El Diablo, then how did they expect me to stealth

He very definitely killed Marlene though, that was cold hearted.


Same :P I WOULDVE DONE IT TOO. NOBODY COMES AFTER MY ELLIE >:)



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Aldro on 22 June 2013
Porcupine_I said:
sales2099 said:
gooch_destroyer said:
sales2099 said:
Saw all cutscenes in one youtube video :P

Got pissed off at story direction at end........you take a mission to deliver the girl to the Fireflies, you KNOW shes immune, what do you think they are gonna do to her once they have her??? His ignorance was annoying.

Yet he grows a conscience and acts all disbelieving when they say she has to die to get the vaccine. He literally gives up the cure for humanity to cling to a new daughter figure. The way he also mercilessly/unecessarily killed the firefly leader bugged me.

I did like the end where he totally lies to her to keep their bond in tact


Selfish, wasn't it? I did like the ending though.

Selfish, but mostly ignorant for not piecing together why Firefly doctors would want to have a immune human........

you missing too much information you would have if you had played the game. just seeing how he explains a hydro electric power plant to Ellie, would have made you realize that the man is no scientist.

but it is interesting how you call him ignorant for not piecing things together. maybe he just didn't have all the information... :-p

 

Hahahaha I actually wanted to quote Sales and bring that example up myself but decided to let it slip XD Great minds think alike



Naninho on 22 June 2013

Just finished the game on Normal! Almost 8:00 AM here in Argentina. I didn't sleep and I'm going to suffer the consequences in about an hour or two...

But you know what? I don't mind, it was well worth it. What an incredible piece of art this game is. I thought that Bioshock Infinite secured the 2013 Naninho's GOTY award back in March, but this game will most likely change that (or not, it's actually too soon for a fair comparison).

Anyway, to those asking for a sequel already: shut up! Just shut up! The ending was so good precisely because of its ambiguity. If they ever tell us, for example, what happened to Ellie's infection after that point, they ruin it. Simple as that.

PS: shut up.



Brutalyst on 22 June 2013

A sequel doesnt need to be based around Ellie and/or Joel, there are tonnes of places they could take it.

Though it would be nice if they get a mention somewhere long the way :)



The best way to find out if you can trust somebody is to trust them.

Ernest Hemmingway

Aldro on 22 June 2013
Naninho said:

Anyway, to those asking for a sequel already: shut up! Just shut up! The ending was so good precisely because of its ambiguity. If they ever tell us, for example, what happened to Ellie's infection after that point, they ruin it. Simple as that.

PS: shut up.

Agreed. Some are like "Yay we're gonna see a sequel based off of that ending "

Just.. no xD.



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g911turbo on 22 June 2013

For those looking to get some more fixes after this game:

If you like the dramatic, dark zombie type theme of this game, you should play The Walking Dead too. Very good story as well.

If you like the survival nature, low ammo scenario of this game, you should try Zombie U. Actually very difficult I hear.

If you like the ending of this game, you should watch The Godfather (part 1).



Mensrea on 22 June 2013

I just finished it in an all night play session. A few observations.

1. David scared the living shit out of me. One of the best villains I have ever seen in a video game. The lodge scene was my literal worst nightmare. As I was playing that I started sweating profusely, and shaking. Bravo Naughty Dog. The brutality of that character, coupled with his mock tender voice, and the brutal kill animations for Ellie just make me shudder. Maybe I'm the only one, but damn that felt real, brutal, and horrifying.

2. As someone who lives near Salt Lake City, it felt like I was walking through an exact apocalyptic version. Seriously, good job naughty dog to stay true to the actual city.

3. The ending caught me off guard. I wanted Joel to go and save her, but his brutality made me uncomfortable. When he killed that first guard in the way he did, I was stunned, but at the same time I wanted him to do it. I saw him mow through all the men, and I feel like I would've done the same thing. Games rarely make me actually angry, but in this situation I was. I wanted them all to die for daring to take Ellie from me without so much as a word. Then I burst into the operating room. I stood there stunned at what I was going to have to do, but I did it, I really did care about Ellie at this point. At this point, Joel seems like he's gone a bit mad to me. He just potentially destroyed humanities last hope without a second thought. I think this finished his arc, he was unhinged by the death of Sarah, and here all his inhibitions go out the door. He is NOT going to let them take Ellie/Sarah. I feel like he is trying to redeem for sarah's death. When he shot Marlene, I realized that this was an awful thing that he had just done.

When Ellie woke up, and he lied to her, it felt to me like the relationship was tainted. She KNEW he lied. There is know doubt about that for me. I hope they can be happy. I feel like I want a little bit more of their story, but maybe that would tarnish this one.

For a minute, I hated Joel's character for he what he did, but I came to realize, that I would've done the exact same thing. To the dot. I know it sounds horrible, but at that point it was either save Ellie or die trying, there is no point in living without her. That is fantastic writing, to make a real character. Who is not necessarily a hero or a villain, but a conflicted person.




Munkeh111 on 22 June 2013

@mensrea David was of course voiced by Nolan North! Which explains the fantastic performance



Mensrea on 22 June 2013
Munkeh111 said:
@mensrea David was of course voiced by Nolan North! Which explains the fantastic performance


I saw that at the end! Usually I can pick up when it's nolan, but I didn't this time. He did a amazing job, I would say one of the best perfomances I've seen in video games.




Munkeh111 on 22 June 2013
Mensrea said:
Munkeh111 said:
@mensrea David was of course voiced by Nolan North! Which explains the fantastic performance

I saw that at the end! Usually I can pick up when it's nolan, but I didn't this time. He did a amazing job, I would say one of the best perfomances I've seen in video games.

I didn't notice until people started talking about it here, I had been wondering if they would slip him in there since he has been in far fewer games recently (though he did pop up in one of the backgrounds of one of their dev diaries)