I think you right really, there is no right or wrong, just what the player interprets :)

But again, kudos to Naughty Dog, there is only a VERY select few group of developers I can say this about, I would buy a game just cause there name is on it :) and that takes some earning ;)

Exactly!

I imagine any father would not sacrifice his daughter for anything. Ever heard the expression "You mean more than the whole world to me?"

pretty much sums it up the more i think about it the more i love this game, before i played it i wanted an uncharted 4, now, i want a new IP from the other team, uncharted is amazing, but naughty dog can do better

Well he didn't even give her the choice. He made the choice for her and lied because she makes him happy.

That can be perceived as selfish.

Joel probably can't be considered a humane character. Atleast you're lead to believe he killed innocent people for his survival.

Though the Joel being selfish part I could debate all night (maybe more to make myself feel better than anything :P) your spot on :)

EDIT: you're both spot on :P

well he did lie to her at the end to and carried the burdon, he does realize what her life means, its a cure. but they didnt even give her a choice, they were going to kill her even if she didnt want to. wouldnt you have done the same?

Since TLOU isn't a franchise yet (although will most definetly be one haha) I still want an Uncharted 4 as that is my favourite franchise.

They can apply so much they learned from making TLOU on UC4 and still keep a team that wants to do new stuff to work on a New IP (the teams arent exactly hardlocked lol).

But yeah it has absolutely made me accept the idea of ND making more new stuff. TLOU really knocked it out of the park and is easily my favourite game ever made. This is also why I don't want more Joel and Ellie. It is so perfect that if they even want to do sequels (which I'd be fine with or without): I'd rather take new characters because I am positive ND can craft them. Theres no doubt in my mind. This game really made me a true ass believer in whatever they touch. Earlier it was a bit "only Uncharted" :P

Everyone kills for their survival. Thats "normal" nowadays.

Just like how in the old ages, marrying off a teen girl to an older man was seen as normal. Which is also why what David feels for Ellie can be seen through more than one way (even though he goes full rapist later on kinda XD). And the cannibalism is needed for survival. Times are different.

As for killing innocent people, weren't most trying to kill him too?

Also if I was a father: There's no way in hell I'd let my daughter decide if she wants to live or die LOL

Well if she wanted to sacrifice her self in hopes of finding a cure that's wiping out humanity. I guess you let her make that choice.

My guess is she would have sacrificed herself. So Joel took it in his own hands to make sure that didn't happen.

It was selfish but that's what makes the ending so good.

the ending was really great true  

im not trying to argue or anything just putting in my point of view. the thing is, she wasnt given a choice, they were already starting surgery, i think of ellie told joel that she wants to do this then that might have been a different outcome, but she didnt even get the chance to think about it.