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fillet on 15 June 2013
enditall727 said:
fillet said:
Euphoria14 said:
What a confusing situation, lol. Who fits into this category?


I know I am a strong supporter of the used game industry and a strongly against DRM. Always have, always will be.


This is for people against used games AND against DRM?

Correct.

I'm not going to argue it either way, thread is purely made for people to air their views really and I'm looking for opinions mainly from people who fall under the bolded. I think there's a fair few here who do.


I'm not sure i get what you mean

 

Hypocritical people who claim to be against used game sales AND DRM? Im not sure if i've ever seen somebody like that so could you give some examples of the users you saw on here who actively do that?

 

I almost feel like you made that up at this point


I'm referring to people who dislike the used games sales industry insofar as that the profits don't filter to the developer basically. There's plenty of those around likely half the userbase here who take gaming seriously and have a favourite developer etc.

I'm saying that the Xbox One provides a method so that developers can finally get what they are (in the minds of these users) due - a cut of the used game sales market.

This method comes at the inconvenience of the people that support the idea.

However my argument would be that these same people are en masse decrying the DRM used to enable this method to work as some kind of travesty and violation of rights. When at the end of the day, it is all but inevitable that DRM of this nature would be needed to enable it.

Therefore, to take the stance people are against the Xbox One is hypocritical, or at the very least fickle and a badly thought out opinion to share in the first place prior to the Xbox One announcment. Anyone who has given such a profit share consideration on an intellectual level would know that it would take heavy DRM to enable such a profit share.

I'm kinda stirring the pot here, but it goes back to not being able to please everyone (I am not pleased with the DRM)...but I and many others never advocated the destruction of used game sales and rambled on about how the developers should be entitled to some slice of that pie. I won't call out, it's been discussed every now and again with people who likely mean well saying that developers should get a cut, but they really should have considered what this meant to them, because they aren't happy about it now.

 

It makes me think of people who think the idea of renewable energy is brilliant...until a windfarm is built near them and they have to see it every day. Except in this case it's more personal. Certainly not making this stuff up, I've done the whole "calling people out" before. I certainly won't be naming anyone because there's no need, there's enough people here that are against all profits of used games sales going to the retailer alone to not need to.

Honestly surprised that nobody has posted sharing their view who take that stance.



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keroncoward on 15 June 2013

Sony sued Geohot for homebrewing his PS3 that he bought with his own money. They literally told him he does not own the Sony products he bought with his own money. Sony has ALWAYS been anti consumer with PS3 and its funny to see so much people bashing Microsoft for their DRM policies. Anyone here seriously think third party devs would restrict Xbox One games and leave those restrictions off the PS4 when they have the freedom to do so? There are going to be a lot of crazy stuff, disappointments and surprises when those two consoles launch. Im just going to sit back, watch and enjoy the show.



enditall727 on 15 June 2013
fillet said:


I'm referring to people who dislike the used games sales industry insofar as that the profits don't filter to the developer basically. There's plenty of those around likely half the userbase here who take gaming seriously and have a favourite developer etc.

I'm saying that the Xbox One provides a method so that developers can finally get what they are (in the minds of these users) due - a cut of the used game sales market.

This method comes at the inconvenience of the people that support the idea.

However my argument would be that these same people are en masse decrying the DRM used to enable this method to work as some kind of travesty and violation of rights. When at the end of the day, it is all but inevitable that DRM of this nature would be needed to enable it.

Therefore, to take the stance people are against the Xbox One is hypocritical, or at the very least fickle and a badly thought out opinion to share in the first place prior to the Xbox One announcment. Anyone who has given such a profit share consideration on an intellectual level would know that it would take heavy DRM to enable such a profit share.

I'm kinda stirring the pot here, but it goes back to not being able to please everyone (I am not pleased with the DRM)...but I and many others never advocated the destruction of used game sales and rambled on about how the developers should be entitled to some slice of that pie. I won't call out, it's been discussed every now and again with people who likely mean well saying that developers should get a cut, but they really should have considered what this meant to them, because they aren't happy about it now.

 

It makes me think of people who think the idea of renewable energy is brilliant...until a windfarm is built near them and they have to see it every day. Except in this case it's more personal. Certainly not making this stuff up, I've done the whole "calling people out" before. I certainly won't be naming anyone because there's no need, there's enough people here that are against all profits of used games sales going to the retailer alone to not need to.

Honestly surprised that nobody has posted sharing their view who take that stance.


Well i dont think its hypocritical because the solution to this problem is STUPID. These devs complain about used games but they try to ignore the source.

companies like Gamestpo are legally providing a place where people can get there games for a cheaper price. Who wouldnt want a cheaper price for games? What happens when games drop in price or go on sale? The sales rise and people take advantage of the cheaper prices right? Exactly! 

 

So we have companies like Gamestop who provides this cheaper price system for gamers who like good deals but then They introduce this Drm sh!t that targets THE FUCKING GAMERS! They are trying to hamper our gaming hobby FOREVER because of the used game market. They are trying to convince us that we are criminals who need to be watched and monitored. THAT IS FUCKING STUPID!

 

A smart company would target the source. The smart thing to do is make a deal with companies like gamestop that provides developers with a cut of the used gamr sales because Gamestop is supposedly BANKING on the used game sales market. But noooo they want to be stupid by targetting ang hampering the gamers experience for some reason?

 

They can kick rocks with that sh!t

 

And then we have people who say "well you have internet now so why afeare you complaining about a 24 hour always online check up?" Lmao! So you mean to tell me that we should let them monitor us like criminal just because we have internet? Smfh

 



fillet on 15 June 2013
enditall727 said:
fillet said:


I'm referring to people who dislike the used games sales industry insofar as that the profits don't filter to the developer basically. There's plenty of those around likely half the userbase here who take gaming seriously and have a favourite developer etc.

I'm saying that the Xbox One provides a method so that developers can finally get what they are (in the minds of these users) due - a cut of the used game sales market.

This method comes at the inconvenience of the people that support the idea.

However my argument would be that these same people are en masse decrying the DRM used to enable this method to work as some kind of travesty and violation of rights. When at the end of the day, it is all but inevitable that DRM of this nature would be needed to enable it.

Therefore, to take the stance people are against the Xbox One is hypocritical, or at the very least fickle and a badly thought out opinion to share in the first place prior to the Xbox One announcment. Anyone who has given such a profit share consideration on an intellectual level would know that it would take heavy DRM to enable such a profit share.

I'm kinda stirring the pot here, but it goes back to not being able to please everyone (I am not pleased with the DRM)...but I and many others never advocated the destruction of used game sales and rambled on about how the developers should be entitled to some slice of that pie. I won't call out, it's been discussed every now and again with people who likely mean well saying that developers should get a cut, but they really should have considered what this meant to them, because they aren't happy about it now.

 

It makes me think of people who think the idea of renewable energy is brilliant...until a windfarm is built near them and they have to see it every day. Except in this case it's more personal. Certainly not making this stuff up, I've done the whole "calling people out" before. I certainly won't be naming anyone because there's no need, there's enough people here that are against all profits of used games sales going to the retailer alone to not need to.

Honestly surprised that nobody has posted sharing their view who take that stance.


Well i dont think its hypocritical because the solution to this problem is STUPID. These devs complain about used games but they try to ignore the source.

companies like Gamestpo are legally providing a place where people can get there games for a cheaper price. Who wouldnt want a cheaper price for games? What happens when games drop in price or go on sale? The sales rise and people take advantage of the cheaper prices right? Exactly! 

 

So we have companies like Gamestop who provides this cheaper price system for gamers who like good deals but then They introduce this Drm sh!t that targets THE FUCKING GAMERS! They are trying to hamper our gaming hobby FOREVER because of the used game market. They are trying to convince us that we are criminals who need to be watched and monitored. THAT IS FUCKING STUPID!

 

A smart company would target the source. The smart thing to do is make a deal with companies like gamestop that provides developers with a cut of the used gamr sales because Gamestop is supposedly BANKING on the used game sales market. But noooo they want to be stupid by targetting ang hampering the gamers experience for some reason?

 

They can kick rocks with that sh!t

 

And then we have people who say "well you have internet now so why afeare you complaining about a 24 hour always online check up?" Lmao! So you mean to tell me that we should let them monitor us like criminal just because we have internet? Smfh

 


Completely agree.

I'll leave this where it is then and if I notice any of the anti-used-game-anti-gamestop-police post I'll direct them here to see if they can explain themselves.

Cheers for taking the time to post :)