If there's one thing to take from this years E3, it's that third party support is not going to just "pick back up".  With Kingdom Hearts III and Final Fantasy XV just announced for PS4 too, do you really think Nintendo is going to get a port?

I'm just saying, for gamers who have played games like Assassins Creed, Call of Duty, GTA, Elder Scrolls, Dragon Age, Fallout, Final Fantasy, etc etc etc, for the past 7 years, it's asking a LOT to have them switch to a console that has virtually none of that, but Mario style games instead. Not saying theyre worse in any way, it's just a lot different. I think we'll see these gamers giving themselves with the option of choosing between the X1 or PS4.

PC is always an option I suppose, but I just can't see many people switching to that. Maybe I'll be wrong, but I just don't see it.

WTF are you talking about, if it was a pay to play system they would SAY that.

PSN: get all the access to all your games and friends at no extra cost

PS+: Get all the same as a regular user but with better deals and services free.

man people dont listen

I'm really disappointed that they are doing this. Was PS+ not enticing enough to attract the numbers? Why can't they leave it to the optional approach. I have Plus till 2015, but I feel that online multiplayer should be free. I'm so torn right now but PS4 is hands down the best system, best value, and has no DRM/used game restrictions*. I understand that multiplayer is expensive to implement, but with the growing adoption of Plus and the implementation of online passes, the occasional multiplayer gamer who has limited time and is shrinking in number should be easily subsidized. I still want the PS4, but I also want to convince Sony they need to maintain the policy of optional services for consumers rather than optional consumers for services.

*outside of EA who might need a boycott.

As far as I can tell... so does Microsoft based on their confrence.

So what if you are a new playstation-owner? Meaning not owning a ps3. What does psn+ give you then? I mean with ps3 you have a large library and so you get games for rent that are worth it but what will $ony offer with ps4 at start? Do you think you will get launch-titles for rental at the start? Or is it just the online-paywall?

Because the new console is using a new server farm with much higher functionality, and running such services isnt free?

Besides, it's not like you cant get deals on ps+ subscriptions like you do with xbl.

I told you nearly a year ago that this would happen. Everyone called me a crazy fanboy. Funny how nearly no one saw this coming because for me it was the most obvious move in the world. Gonna look up my posts brb.

Gonna sit back and enjoy the spin now that paywalled online is suddenly a good thing because there are still the free games. Sony will decrease the rate of free games massively because it was a ruse from the very beginning. No call me crazy again.

I know it feels that way for those who have yet to jump onto PS+. Inversely, PS+ members see this as a nothing burger as they are already paying for PS+ soooo.... as a PS+ member myself, no this is not a big deal.

That's a good question. Well as they stated you will have access to Drive club right of the bat. That is a 60 dollar title for 50 bucks. plus at least one free game a month (maybe not all PS4 titles as PS+ is a unified service across all platforms) and at least three of those are Don't Starve, Outlast and Secret Ponchos (which I liked the look of myself).

Did you bother reading past the second sentance I wrote?