If you assume the price of the PS4 Eye ($59.99) and a one-year sub to PS+($60), the cost for the Xbox One becomes $380.00.

In case you all missed it, the price of PS+ is $60.00 for the PS4.  In the E3 presentation, Sony mentioned for just $5.00 a month...etc.  5x12=60.

I don't think it works that way. I think they stated that it's less than $5 a month. There is no information that it has actually increased. Just like most products and services, you save some money by buying more/ a bigger package.

About the first sentence. I'm not saying that that's not the case. However, Sony is giving consumers a choice, which is good. Unfortunately for Sony most playstation owners don't care for casual games or motion controls, so for someone who has no interest in kinect or the pseye, the ps4 is much cheaper than the xbone.

Sure, on Xbox One release date go to a gamestop with $380.00 + tax and get yourself a Xbox One.

I am sure I can get a PS4 with a $400.00 + tax and play offline as long as I want.

(Seriously don't try so hard)

Yes, I didnt know how the PS4 was priced and yes I'm pretty sure that both Xbox One and PS4 will sell near 25k/week a couple month after their releases while WiiU sales will get better.

It IS a free phone. It's nothing to do with the actual contract people sign up for with the network provider. Working for a phone shop I'd have thought you'd know that!? 

Damn that extra credit agreement must be for people with seriously poor credit ratings. My mum upgraded to an S4 last month with O2. There was no extra agreement with that Just £37.00 per month for unlimited minutes, texts and 500mb data. Yes she could have that for £21 per month on a 12 month contract if she didn't get a phone with it, but that still only works out at £384 for the Galaxy S4 which is cheaper than buying one Sim Free.

However, whether you're paying more in the long run through your line rental or not is irrelivant, the phone is still free unless you have one of those additional credit agreements you speak of, but I've never seen that anywhere and would never sign up to that. If you're telling customers at your work it's not a free phone and that it is part of the contract, you are mis-selling to them and it's no wonder the phone networks have so many problems with people refusing to pay their line rental 14 months down the line when they've broken their phone because the network won't replace the handset.

Look at Littlewoods etc. They're "interest free" but you pay more for the product in the initial purchase price. Doesn't alter the fact that it's interest free. Again you still fail to address the fact that there is no up front cost.

Look at the cheap Xbox 360s in the US. The console is what $99? You more than pay for it across the 2 years you have to pay $14.99 or whatever it is for the special Xbox Live sub they come with, but the console is still $99. That is the up front cost, that is all the person getting it cares about at the time. I don't doubt Xbox One will adopt a similar strategy in the long term, and you know what? It'll sell a lot better when it does.

Excuse me?

I put the packages on a roughly equal footing by eliminating the cost of Kinect and a 1 year Xbox Live subscription.  It wasn't really that hard.  Simple math, as  a matter of fact.

As I seem to recall the way PS3 fans put it back in the day:  "They're including things that the other guy makes you pay for."  Or something like that.

I never tried to suggest you could go to GameStop and get an Xbox One for $380.00.  For what Microsoft includes, you do end up getting a better value, if you intend to pick up the PS 4 Eye/Camera and a one year sub to PS+.  If not, I'm not going to sit here and attempt to suggest $399.99 is some how more expensive than $499.99.  But if you want to put the two consoles on equal footing in terms of what you get Day One, the Xbox One, if you par it down to what the PS4 comes with, is $20.00 cheaper (or conversely if you add those two items).

Even if you don't add both, the difference is onlyl $40.