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theshonen8899 said:
slowmo said:
 I would think the ability for a user to logon to any XBO and have access to their games and saved data is an amazing feature. Sure it might not offset the DRM issues in your eyes but it is a benefit that shouldn't be ignored. 

The problem is that Steam has offered this exact same feature with blazing fast servers and Steam Cloud for years, without always online.


Which may explain why most PC devs switched to consoles as they were in dire straights and not making money.

Steam will switch to this model in the future, I assure you, its a natural progression. Were you old enough and into PC gaming at the time Half Life 2 was revealed and you had to do the online activation.  There was uproar and lots of complaints, now nobody even cares. 

I wish DRM wasn't necessary but unfortunately we don't live in an ideal society where people will happily pay for stuff.  That being said I do sometimes wonder if the non DRM open door policy would be like.  I was around in the Spectrum, C64 days and have fond memories of lots of small developers being able to go toe to toe with the giant publishing houses for sales.  Perhaps there would be a watershed moment similar to what music has experienced over the last 10 years as independent record companies are now able to break the stranglehold a small number of giant corporations had through the 90's. 

I guess I find it strange that people argue some control is ok as long as it's not too much.  If you justify DRM on it's most basic principle that it is ok to stop copying for example then you've instantly lost the ability to say how much is too much.  You either accept it or don't imo.



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theshonen8899 said:

ironmanDX said:

The point? The point is stupid. The people who complain about DRM are on the internet already...The only point I see is how the internet turns into a giant sooky girl about everything! If they can't afford the internet do you think they can afford a brand new PS4 or X1?

Hell no.


My friend has been stationed in Afgahnistan with unreliable internet where his only source of entertainment for the past few years has been his Xbox 360. Please explain to him how his fears of DRM and always online makes him a giant sooky girl.

 I was generalizing. How stable is his internet connection? You can also check in every 24 hours with your phone but, that again isn't an option for him. 99% of the people online are sooks then!



dobby985 said:
Nem said:
Galaki said:
Both good and bad DRM are bad DRM.


I agree. I am also terribly inconvenienced that i cant sell my digital titles, something that is supported by european law but companies havent complied with.


Steam sales would die overnight. Skyrim for $5? Forget about it.


The law is the law. They will have to eventually comply or they will be fined. That is one of the reasons why microsoft is actually allowing it to happen on Xbox one.

I dont get why steam would die overnight.



Nem said:

The law is the law.

Until it is bought and tweak to the highest bidder sastisfaction.



Galaki said:
Nem said:

The law is the law.

Until it is bought and tweak to the highest bidder sastisfaction.


That is a different can of worms.



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slowmo said:


Which may explain why most PC devs switched to consoles as they were in dire straights and not making money.

Steam will switch to this model in the future, I assure you, its a natural progression. Were you old enough and into PC gaming at the time Half Life 2 was revealed and you had to do the online activation.  There was uproar and lots of complaints, now nobody even cares. 

Rubbish, it wasn't the developers... It was the Publishers.
Publishers have to answer to the shareholders, shareholders are forever wanting more and more money, consoles are a way to do that.

The PC isn't at fault, the PC you can still make massive dollars, Blizzard and Valve have proven that in spades as they seem to easily sell 10+ million copies of games exclusively to the platform.

Also Valve/Steam is under no pressure to increase the DRM, Valve is a Private company, it's games sell extremely well so there is no external or financial pressures to go down that path farther and they aren't afraid to tell a publisher to sell it's games else where which has happened in the past.

I'm still of the opinion that the only "good" DRM is DRM that actually is a convenience, most DRM doesn't achieve that however, Steam is my exception to the rule, I have my entire (500+) PC game library on my x86 Tablet, Desktop PCs, HTPC and Laptops all at the same time, preloads games before release, automatically patches and sales. Oh the sales.

Before Steam you would have had to juggle optical discs around, not feasible for me I'm afraid, nor could or would I lug around my game collection with my laptop and/or tablet if I was travelling.




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Steam is bad DRM because I dont want to use Steam. I do not want to license a game to an account that could be disabled at any moment for any reason Steam sees fit. There are many titles that are "steamworks" only, and I cannot purchase them for any other platform but Steam. I only game using Humbe Bundle and GOG, so I do not get to play most new non-indy games. Steam prevents me from playing games cause I want no part of it.

Lets not forget if it werent for the success of Steam, XBone would never had tried this shit.



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Nem said:
Galaki said:
Nem said:

The law is the law.

Until it is bought and tweak to the highest bidder sastisfaction.

That is a different can of worms.

Same worms. Different cans.



Pemalite said:
slowmo said:


Which may explain why most PC devs switched to consoles as they were in dire straights and not making money.

Steam will switch to this model in the future, I assure you, its a natural progression. Were you old enough and into PC gaming at the time Half Life 2 was revealed and you had to do the online activation.  There was uproar and lots of complaints, now nobody even cares. 

Rubbish, it wasn't the developers... It was the Publishers.
Publishers have to answer to the shareholders, shareholders are forever wanting more and more money, consoles are a way to do that.

The PC isn't at fault, the PC you can still make massive dollars, Blizzard and Valve have proven that in spades as they seem to easily sell 10+ million copies of games exclusively to the platform.

Also Valve/Steam is under no pressure to increase the DRM, Valve is a Private company, it's games sell extremely well so there is no external or financial pressures to go down that path farther and they aren't afraid to tell a publisher to sell it's games else where which has happened in the past.

I'm still of the opinion that the only "good" DRM is DRM that actually is a convenience, most DRM doesn't achieve that however, Steam is my exception to the rule, I have my entire (500+) PC game library on my x86 Tablet, Desktop PCs, HTPC and Laptops all at the same time, preloads games before release, automatically patches and sales. Oh the sales.

Before Steam you would have had to juggle optical discs around, not feasible for me I'm afraid, nor could or would I lug around my game collection with my laptop and/or tablet if I was travelling.

 

So hypothetically speaking if XBO's DRM made your experience better you would welcome it with open arms?  Just take that into consideration when bashing Microsoft's policies as that could end up being the case.  If it really is bad for people it will not sell surely, it's not like you can argue people haven't been informed now given the coverage it has received from none gaming media too.



slowmo said:

 

So hypothetically speaking if XBO's DRM made your experience better you would welcome it with open arms?

No not a better experience... A more convenient and cheaper one, then sure. I actually would.


However, seems it's going to be the reverse that will happen, I.E. Price of second hand games will probably skyrocket amongst other things.

It doesn't make all DRM "evil", just badly made and implemented then forced onto the consumer, you think PC gamers were forced to use Steam when it first launched? :P No, gamers chose to use it because it's convenient and cheaper.




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