Something like this is going to happen with the ps4. Do you think EA, activision, ubisoft is going to block used games on Xbox one and not on ps4 no. All we can hope for is Sony happen a better solution then MS
Something like this is going to happen with the ps4. Do you think EA, activision, ubisoft is going to block used games on Xbox one and not on ps4 no. All we can hope for is Sony happen a better solution then MS
Joe makes a solid angry case for gamers to be dissatisfied with DRM and yet despite all this backlash, it seems to be an inevitable reality that all platforms will likely eventually succumb to moving forward. Due to publishers applying pressure to maximize those profit margins.
8th gen really seems like it'll be much more slowly adopted overall and for good reasons.
S.T.A.G.E. said:
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After watching, I take back my almost take back. He somewhat whitewashes the PC thing. Yep he says there's DRM-free games on PC, but he doesn't entirely repudiate DRM on PC. He advocates people to support DRM-free games, but he doesn't take the step further in advocating a boycott of PC games with DRM, incluiding, obviously, Steam. Instead he gives Steam a free pass because they do sales. The fundamental thing is that PC was the thin edge of the wedge with DRM. That it gained a foothold on PC meant it was only a matter of time before it reared its ugly head on console. He's still being a hypocrit because he still recommends people drop one DRM platform for another platform (and service) that uses DRM.
PC is the DRM evil master and Xbone is the DRM evil pupil. Now the pupil has become more DRM evil than the master. So suddenly the evil master is just a bit misunderstood, now that the evil pupil has far exceeded the master's evilest plans.
I liked his point that the game retailers (all of them) are pretty screwed. There is no point in buying a Xbone game on disc, Disc:DL sales are going to skew massively towards DL on Xbone compared to 360. CoD will probably sell a few million discs, and 10 million+ through the Live store. Specialist video game retailers are dead as far as Xbone goes. If PS4 goes this way then Nintendo alone won;t be able to prop them up.
I find it ironic that MS fans are on here all defensive, when it's one of the biggest Xbox fans mon the web that is kicking MS to the curb. Ultimately all the things Sony and Nintendo fans say on the internet about Xbone is just white noise that has virtually zero impact on the potential for Xbone to succeed. But a like Angry Joe rejecting Xbone so spectacularly does far more to damage Xbones chances than all the Sony and Nintendo fans put together ever could.
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| Skeeuk said: This is getting worse and worse and worse now How in the hell can " your friends can come over to your house and play your game library " be a feature of the console? Sorry but that's laughable |
This should be reiterated as it is one of the best points in the video. This is an actual bullet point from Microsoft:
"Share access to your games with everyone inside your home: Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console—regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you."
Even Mr Puggsly might admit that it is an extremely sad thing that Microsoft has to point this out as a feature of the console.
Mr Puggsly said:
Well this proves a point I made before. Sony fans will defend Sony no matter what they do. Just as long as they can point to something else for being worse. Sure PS4 has DRM, but since it isn't as strict as MS they get all the praise. |
But Angry Joe isn't a Sony fan, he doesn't even have a PS3 and has been an XBox gamer since forever... this is definitely not some rabid PS fanboy trolling you, this is a genuine fan being turned away by policy he abhore from a company he has been loyal to for more than a decade.
And as for Sony's policy towards DRM, believe me, there will be a massive number of Sony fans and even fanboys who would spit on their face if they follow Microsoft's lead, E3 is coming, get your popcorn ready.

Mr Puggsly said:
Well this proves a point I made before. Sony fans will defend Sony no matter what they do. Just as long as they can point to something else for being worse. Sure PS4 has DRM, but since it isn't as strict as MS they get all the praise. |
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I am a Sony fan but if it was Sony doing this instead of Microsoft I would completely boycott the PS4 without question. I certainly wouldn't be defending them as you are Microsoft.
Alright again ...
"In order for DRM to properly work it needs to have an Internet Connection on a Regular basis and Sony has stated that the PS4 system is not an Always on Device".
if you can't see the Logic in what is said here then you are just looking for ways to attack Sony, not saying they won't have some form of DRM, it will probably be what is being used with online multi-player being restricted if bought used. So in order for Sony to Block Used games With DRM they will need to have the System be always Online or at some point during the day as with the XBone.
binary solo said:
After watching, I take back my almost take back. He somewhat whitewashes the PC thing. Yep he says there's DRM-free games on PC, but he doesn't entirely repudiate DRM on PC. He advocates people to support DRM-free games, but he doesn't take the step further in advocating a boycott of PC games with DRM, incluiding, obviously, Steam. Instead he gives Steam a free pass because they do sales. The fundamental thing is that PC was the thin edge of the wedge with DRM. That it gained a foothold on PC meant it was only a matter of time before it reared its ugly head on console. He's still being a hypocrit because he still recommends people drop one DRM platform for another platform (and service) that uses DRM. PC is the DRM evil master and Xbone is the DRM evil pupil. Now the pupil has become more DRM evil than the master. So suddenly the evil master is just a bit misunderstood, now that the evil pupil has far exceeded the master's evilest plans. I liked his point that the game retailers (all of them) are pretty screwed. There is no point in buying a Xbone game on disc, Disc:DL sales are going to skew massively towards DL on Xbone compared to 360. CoD will probably sell a few million discs, and 10 million+ through the Live store. Specialist video game retailers are dead as far as Xbone goes. If PS4 goes this way then Nintendo alone won;t be able to prop them up. I find it ironic that MS fans are on here all defensive, when it's one of the biggest Xbox fans mon the web that is kicking MS to the curb. Ultimately all the things Sony and Nintendo fans say on the internet about Xbone is just white noise that has virtually zero impact on the potential for Xbone to succeed. But a like Angry Joe rejecting Xbone so spectacularly does far more to damage Xbones chances than all the Sony and Nintendo fans put together ever could. |
His point about the PC isn't that it's not DRM filled. It's that why go the console route if they're basically going the same route as the PC, but with even more barriers (paying a subscription to be allowed to play online with Live, having to go online once a day, etc...). What's the point buying a console that offers no benefits over a PC?
Better spend that money on a better gaming PC and enjoy the infrastructure advantage of that platform over what the XBO offers (things like mods, free online play, huge indie library, better graphics, local LAN parties, ...). A PC is also used for much more than just games.
So in essence,MS really need to bring some really uber awesome exclusive games to the table if they really want to convince people that they should accept their lack of consideration for consumers and just "deal with it".
| J_Allard said: I closed it when the emo scream started. Can someone please summarize who he is and what he says in 24 minutes? |
Hey about you just listen to the goddamn video and quit itching?
I just recently subbed to angry joe and I've enjoyed his rants. He's been a xbox fan for the longest of times and to see him this mad, I think this is how a good part of the xbox fanbase feels like. As a consumer, I feel pissed too because the minute this thing starts to sell with these policies still in place, other will follow, if they haven't already (I'm looking at you Sony)
Tiffac said it perfectly in his post "If we give them a little, they will take a lot in the end."
Xbox fans (who are outraged by this, cause some apparently are just dandy with it) have the unique opportunity to stop this madness. They can say "fuck you MS" and simply show no support for it.. If MS sees real loss in their fan's loyalty and if they are smart, they will flip it around.
I know we all have an opinion and we can all have our differences and preferences but you cannot honestly tell me with a straight face that this doesn't bother you in the least. For fuck's sake, this is an ACTUAL bullet point:
"Share access to your games with everyone inside your home: Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console—regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you."
Woopity-fucking-do. I can let other people play any game on my console, even if they're not related! Xbox one is revolutionary! And like many sony fans here have already confessed, if Sony jumps on board, they can go fuck themselves too.