Sharing with 10 family members.. hell yes. I already know 2 of my brothers are getting this at/near launch. Probably a 3rd one too. I am sure the rest I can fill up with friends.

So used games.. they're basically taking the exact same stance as Sony. It's entirely up to the publishers in terms of whether or not they're allowed, and whether or not there is a fee associated with trading them in (which I would assume is paid for by the "approved retailer", which means less trade in value).

Depending on how much value is lost, this sounds perfectly fine to me.

I can't believe people are trying to justify this crap.Guess when you love a company,you love a company.If Sony pulls this shit,I'll buy a wiiu(I'll still buy one anyway)but I will only own one next gen.

yep, that's what i really want to know, if you can even make friends to "family members", this is better as everything people had in the past. 10 friends buying one destiny to play on 10 consoles together would be really sick. but i doubt that this works like that. but if, people should really think about the possibilities...

Such bullshit there's a mandatory connection and verification for offline games after 24 hours.The sheer principle of it is disgusting.

What a shitty industry.First time I really have the desire to see it crash and burn, and I hate to be saying this right now, but I can't feel any other way.

No you are wrong. This is a carefully written article. If that is the case they would have said you can share your game once with a friend and not "give" and followed by "the game can only be given once". Also the line is found under Trading and Selling section. The first paragraph covers trade-ins and this covers selling or "giving'

quote someone of those people and then try to explain why something he said isn't logical at least for this person.

as example if you mean me, explain to me how the xbox one isn't better for me as what we have right now?

my points are:

1. i don't rent games

2. i only sell my used games together with the console

3. i'm always online except for few seconds from time to time

4. we will buy a few xbox consoles in my family and all of them can play all the bought games even hundreds of kilometers away from each other.

how is that not better for me as nowadays?

We can all play Geometric Wars at the same time and being offline!

Where does it say "share with family and friends {edit, I meant playing same game separately at same time}".

You can login to your own device and people on that device can also play it. ( no changes to basic disc or digital rights now)

You can login to a friends xbone and play it at their house. ( no changes to takign disc to their house now, but adds new feature to digital ownership)

But you cannot give them your live account and let them play it while you play it at home. (no changes to now)

So, you're gaining nothing.  But you're losing ownership and real value in used markets if that option will even be available to per the publisher.

Basically, there is far more risk and cost and no new value.

Again, I'm not talking about losing power or internet etc, I could care less about that. While I don't think its great for the many millions of gamers without great internet, that's not my problem. That is just bad business, not a dramatic change in ownership rights.

No thanks.

Still confirms that you won't have actual ownership over your disc based games. It's all about permissions from MS to be able to do anything with your games. A lot of overcomplicated restrictions, 'can enable' and 'may's' and no guarantees.

As we move into this new generation of games and entertainment, from time to time, Microsoft may change its policies, terms, products and services to reflect modifications and improvements to our services, feedback from customers and our business partners or changes in our business priorities and business models or for other reasons.  We may also cease to offer certain services or products for similar reasons.

It also says no where that you only need to re-verify the disc to keep playing off-line.
With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection

Nothing whether you can unplug the Kinect if you don't want it looking or listening, or lugging it along to a different location.

It's all unnecesarilly complicated with only promises that you can sort of do the things you can do now with your disc based games. They should have offered the choice, buy digital with all these 'benefits' or buy discs the old way.
No ownership, no sale.

I'll be waiting for the slim version to see if it this will result in Steam like sales. I'm not paying more then $10-$15 dollars for games I don't get to own. $60 for an installation disc with online drm, no thanks.

Thanks. Yeah that makes sense.

If you can designate which consoles are "family members", this Xbox One setup is golden. Hope its not some BS like it has to be the same name on the account or the same billing address on the credit card.