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disolitude said:
pezus said:
Lafiel said:
JerCotter7 said:
disolitude said:
This means that PS4 is either going to require manual disk swaps as disks themselves are going to enforce the DRM for the installed game, or will be pirates wet dream.


Of course it will require disk swaps. I don't see how that's even a bad thing. Takes about 5 seconds.

"disk swapping" was one of the things PS3 had over 360 in the flame wars, so that this argument now seems to do a 180 makes me smile :D

Yeah, and now every One game has to be installed. Lol, the reversal is funny.


As will every retail PS4 game...

For me its not disk swapping that is the issue, its disks in general. For someone that lives in a trendy but small condo in Downtown Toronto, and wants to put together a seamles entertainment unit which is used for multiple purposes including gaming, there really is no room for piles of disks on the wall and on the ground while I am gaming.

Options are good and hopefully PS4 has an option to install a game and verify DRM online as I really don't plan to continue gaming using disks as the medium. To me disks are a distribution device and can pretty much go in the garbage once a game is installed on your profile and saved in the cloud...

You know, you could always buy the games digitally. I'm sure next gen will have a huge digital push with games being available day one to download. So just buy digital if discs aren't your thing.

I for one love my discs as collectors items. I store them and maybe even lend and borrow with friends from time to time. While I do agree that games will probably require some form of installation (if not complete installation) for better load times, I hope it's like now where having the disc in the tray is the method of verification rather some silly always online DRM.



 

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I totally get what Cerny says and people who hold the same opinion. Next-gen consoles won't be half as good without a internet connection, because of the things that Cerny listed above. This was already the case this gen where pretty much every game had updates, patches, dlcs and so on, many of which were totally game-changing. You would also miss on many great games that were digital only on PS Store. Not to mention all of the changes that happened during the firmware updates, PS3 of 2006 is nowhere near the PS3 of 2013 in terms of content and aplications (not counting BC) thanks to internet connection.

On the other hand I don't know what's the point in forcing a internet connection, if someone regardless of reason doesn't have or want to have his console connected to the internet it's his choice, and loss. Of course one reason would be DRM implementation like in xbone's case.

Always online would be the last issue I would have if PS4 required it. My console will be connected nevertheless and internet in Warsaw is overall prett. good, I never lost the connection with my current provider to date, although the upload/download speed isn't very stable.
But I have one big problem with online checks daily xbone style, particularly I go to my summer house for holidays for about two weeks, pretty much every year. It's located deep in the country, I don't have internet there, don't know if I ever will. And every time when I go there since I have a console I take it with me so I'm not bored in the evenings when we're not doing a grill. With xbone I couldn't do that anymore and that sucks bigtime.



So it is happening...PS4 preorder.

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Wagram said:


Yosp: Did we consider it? No, we didn't consider it. The main reason being that many countries don't have robust Internet connections. It makes sense for people to have Internet connections to play online games, but for offline games there are many countries that we saw do not really have robust internet.


The PS always had world wide appeal and it was never a console that focused on specific places like Japan or Europe or the US, so it would have made no sense for them to try an always on experiment that would have singled so many people out.

MS on the other hand enjoy disproportionate popularity in the US and the UK.



disolitude said:
This means that PS4 is either going to require manual disk swaps as disks themselves are going to enforce the DRM for the installed game, or will be pirates wet dream.


they may give you a choice of registering the game online, or keeping the disk inside to play.



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

disolitude said:
pezus said:
Lafiel said:
JerCotter7 said:
disolitude said:
This means that PS4 is either going to require manual disk swaps as disks themselves are going to enforce the DRM for the installed game, or will be pirates wet dream.


Of course it will require disk swaps. I don't see how that's even a bad thing. Takes about 5 seconds.

"disk swapping" was one of the things PS3 had over 360 in the flame wars, so that this argument now seems to do a 180 makes me smile :D

Yeah, and now every One game has to be installed. Lol, the reversal is funny.


As will every retail PS4 game...

For me its not disk swapping that is the issue, its disks in general. For someone that lives in a trendy but small condo in Downtown Toronto, and wants to put together a seamles entertainment unit which is used for multiple purposes including gaming, there really is no room for piles of disks on the wall and on the ground while I am gaming.

Options are good and hopefully PS4 has an option to install a game and verify DRM online as I really don't plan to continue gaming using disks as the medium. To me disks are a distribution device and can pretty much go in the garbage once a game is installed on your profile and saved in the cloud...

there's always something. It wasn't two days ago that you said sony would do the same thing as MS.

You berated them for that, and then now for not doing it.



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UltimateUnknown said:
That exclusive game mode for Fifa, Ultimate team that Xbone is getting is likely a gesture of thanks of EA to M$ for enforcing DRM while Sony didn't. Although at first it may not seem much, but Ultimate team is HUGE over here in Europe. I am not a massive Fifa fan but I played some and the way everyone hypes up Ultimate team, I was really surprised that EA actually made that mode exclusive to the Xbone when Fifa sells more on Playstation because that is the more popular console in Europe. EA are definitely trying to push some Xbones out in Europe with that decision and I don't think M$ simply paid for the content. But only time will tell.


Fifa ultimate team mode isn't exlusive to xbox one, its exlusive content to the mode that its getting, ultimate team will be in both versions of fifa 14.



disolitude said:
pezus said:
Lafiel said:
JerCotter7 said:
disolitude said:
This means that PS4 is either going to require manual disk swaps as disks themselves are going to enforce the DRM for the installed game, or will be pirates wet dream.


Of course it will require disk swaps. I don't see how that's even a bad thing. Takes about 5 seconds.

"disk swapping" was one of the things PS3 had over 360 in the flame wars, so that this argument now seems to do a 180 makes me smile :D

Yeah, and now every One game has to be installed. Lol, the reversal is funny.


As will every retail PS4 game...

For me its not disk swapping that is the issue, its disks in general. For someone that lives in a trendy but small condo in Downtown Toronto, and wants to put together a seamles entertainment unit which is used for multiple purposes including gaming, there really is no room for piles of disks on the wall and on the ground while I am gaming.

Options are good and hopefully PS4 has an option to install a game and verify DRM online as I really don't plan to continue gaming using disks as the medium. To me disks are a distribution device and can pretty much go in the garbage once a game is installed on your profile and saved in the cloud...


All games will be available on PSN on release day according to sony if that is such a problem for you. Just buy them there instead of in a retailer. 



Lafiel said:
JerCotter7 said:
disolitude said:
This means that PS4 is either going to require manual disk swaps as disks themselves are going to enforce the DRM for the installed game, or will be pirates wet dream.


Of course it will require disk swaps. I don't see how that's even a bad thing. Takes about 5 seconds.

"disk swapping" was one of the things PS3 had over 360 in the flame wars, so that this argument now seems to do a 180 makes me smile :D

In 360's case it was pointless disk swapping. You didn't get anything for it. In this case you do get something for disk swapping.



JazzyJeez said:
UltimateUnknown said:
That exclusive game mode for Fifa, Ultimate team that Xbone is getting is likely a gesture of thanks of EA to M$ for enforcing DRM while Sony didn't. Although at first it may not seem much, but Ultimate team is HUGE over here in Europe. I am not a massive Fifa fan but I played some and the way everyone hypes up Ultimate team, I was really surprised that EA actually made that mode exclusive to the Xbone when Fifa sells more on Playstation because that is the more popular console in Europe. EA are definitely trying to push some Xbones out in Europe with that decision and I don't think M$ simply paid for the content. But only time will tell.


Fifa ultimate team mode isn't exlusive to xbox one, its exlusive content to the mode that its getting, ultimate team will be in both versions of fifa 14.

I thought I heard the mode was exclusive when they announced, Oh wow that sucks then. Probably just some player cards or whatever it is that ultimate team has. Nothing major.



 

theprof00 said:
disolitude said:
pezus said:
Lafiel said:
JerCotter7 said:
disolitude said:
This means that PS4 is either going to require manual disk swaps as disks themselves are going to enforce the DRM for the installed game, or will be pirates wet dream.


Of course it will require disk swaps. I don't see how that's even a bad thing. Takes about 5 seconds.

"disk swapping" was one of the things PS3 had over 360 in the flame wars, so that this argument now seems to do a 180 makes me smile :D

Yeah, and now every One game has to be installed. Lol, the reversal is funny.


As will every retail PS4 game...

For me its not disk swapping that is the issue, its disks in general. For someone that lives in a trendy but small condo in Downtown Toronto, and wants to put together a seamles entertainment unit which is used for multiple purposes including gaming, there really is no room for piles of disks on the wall and on the ground while I am gaming.

Options are good and hopefully PS4 has an option to install a game and verify DRM online as I really don't plan to continue gaming using disks as the medium. To me disks are a distribution device and can pretty much go in the garbage once a game is installed on your profile and saved in the cloud...

there's always something. It wasn't two days ago that you said sony would do the same thing as MS.

You berated them for that, and then now for not doing it.


Dont make stuff up... I may have said they will do the same but I wouldnt "berate" them for it. I actually want them to introduce installs and online registration of games. It will at least show they get the 21st century digital consumption model and are striving to create a viable ecosystem