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Deyon on 31 May 2013
crissindahouse said:
Deyon said:

A console with a required internet connection will suck for those who have a crappy internet or don't have one at all, thus making the console sell like crap in many countries and not making any money for the company.

On the PS4 you have the option to be always online, so you can't really complain.

that's why i said it will change 0 for me. i didn't speak about other people.

"but nowadays or next gen, a console without interent connection will look really sad."

That doesn't sound like you were talking about yourself. You should be more specific :)



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thismeintiel on 31 May 2013
Wagram said:

Q: Is the PS4 console is designed to be connected in a 'permanent' way? What I'm asking is it will need to be connected all the time? And if so, how will this affect plans for PSN?

A: PlayStation 4 is not a permanent connection system in that sense, but the experience is much richer if you are connected. You will have access to digital content and the updates for your games, along with a wide range of social functions: upload videos and screenshots, see your friends play and interact with them in various ways within the games.

So I think two of the other pillars we talked about in-terms of design were simplicity and immediacy. Even taking back a step from here, PlayStation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all. So it depends what level you want to use these feature sets at. So with ’simple’ and ’immediacy’ we want it so that everything is one button click away, for example. And ’immediacy’ takes down these barriers that can be frustrating to gamers between the player getting access to the content.

Q: GI- Rumor claims that Microsoft's console will require an always-online Internet connection to play games. In previous interviews, you've stated that that's not the case with PS4. Did you ever consider an always-online connection for the PS4, and if so, why did you decide against it?

Yosp: Did we consider it? No, we didn't consider it. The main reason being that many countries don't have robust Internet connections. It makes sense for people to have Internet connections to play online games, but for offline games there are many countries that we saw do not really have robust internet.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=572949

 

So with that cleared up. Is it even possible for a forced used games DRM? The only way to possibly check is an always online connection, or a connection of SOME kind. We'll get some clarification soon, but this bodes well in my opinion.

Not sure why they credited the bold as Cerny.  That was actually something Michael Denny said in March to OPM UK.  Here's the link. Still, this shows that this has been Sony's stance all along.

Edit:  Oh, nevermind.  They did credit that to Denny.  The way you posted it made it seem like it was what Cerny had said.  So, it's all your fault. 



 

hinch on 31 May 2013
crissindahouse said:

yes it's better if a console doesn't need it at all but it would change nothing for me so i am not super excited now just because ps4 doesn't need that because i will use my ps4 with internet.

Fair enough, I guess. I'm just happy because it's yet another unnecessary policy getting shot down, that gets in between me and my games. My internet connection is rock solid (100Mb/s), but I'd hate it if my console needed to check up on me every once in a while.. just to play my stuff. I already laid down my hard eared cash for my games, I don't need that kind of crap on my console.



crissindahouse on 31 May 2013
Deyon said:

"but nowadays or next gen, a console without interent connection will look really sad."

That doesn't sound like you were talking about yourself. You should be more specific :)

the consoles are build with internet in mind. we already heard about probably a lot of f2p next gen, indie gaming will be big next gen and is already big nowadays, online multiplayer, demos, sharing videos on facebook, music, movies, chat and videochat and so on... for me, consoles which are build with all of that in mind look very "sad" (that was a stupid word for it) if you only use them for singleplayer games and nothing else.

and because i don't want to use a console only for singleplayer, i will connect it to the internet. if i have to have internet or not will change 0 for me.



Deyon on 31 May 2013
crissindahouse said:
Deyon said:

"but nowadays or next gen, a console without interent connection will look really sad."

That doesn't sound like you were talking about yourself. You should be more specific :)

the consoles are build with internet in mind. we already heard about probably a lot of f2p next gen, indie gaming will be big next gen and is already big nowadays, online multiplayer, sharing videos on facebook, music, movies, chat and videochat and so on... for me, consoles which are build with all of that in mind look very "sad" (that was a stupid word for it) if you only use them for singleplayer games and nothing else.

and because i don't want to use a console only for singleplayer, i will connect it to the internet. if i have to have internet or not will change 0 for me.

Okay everything is cool. This argument started because of a misunderstanding, even though I don't agree that a person who gets a video GAME console just to play video GAMES on it is "sad"

You're only talking about yourself so I won't say anything :)



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crissindahouse on 31 May 2013
Deyon said:
crissindahouse said:
Deyon said:

"but nowadays or next gen, a console without interent connection will look really sad."

That doesn't sound like you were talking about yourself. You should be more specific :)

the consoles are build with internet in mind. we already heard about probably a lot of f2p next gen, indie gaming will be big next gen and is already big nowadays, online multiplayer, sharing videos on facebook, music, movies, chat and videochat and so on... for me, consoles which are build with all of that in mind look very "sad" (that was a stupid word for it) if you only use them for singleplayer games and nothing else.

and because i don't want to use a console only for singleplayer, i will connect it to the internet. if i have to have internet or not will change 0 for me.

Okay everything is cool. This arguement started because of a misunderstanding, even though I don't agree that a person who gets a video GAME console just to play video GAMES on it is "sad"

You're only talking about yourself so I can't say anything :)

i didn't say the person is sad, the console looks sad if it is only used for one thing with all those possibilities. but i already said it was not the correct word.

and much of that is about gaming. playing demos, indie games, f2p games,  multiplayer, watching game trailers, game chat and stuff like that is all about gaming. 



chapset on 31 May 2013
disolitude said:
This means that PS4 is either going to require manual disk swaps as disks themselves are going to enforce the DRM for the installed game, or will be pirates wet dream.

Just like the PS3 was, Sone never learns



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thekitchensink on 31 May 2013

Deyon said:



hinch said:
Nice. Now we just need a confirmation on the used game policy and I'm all on board the PS4 hype train.



It doesn't have to be online at all, so that means it doesn't block used games, I think..

Not true. Sony recently patented discs with built-in tags that can locally store small amounts of data, so the console would be able to tell if the disc had been used on another systemaccount without being connected online.



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disolitude on 31 May 2013
pezus said:
Lafiel said:
JerCotter7 said:
disolitude said:
This means that PS4 is either going to require manual disk swaps as disks themselves are going to enforce the DRM for the installed game, or will be pirates wet dream.


Of course it will require disk swaps. I don't see how that's even a bad thing. Takes about 5 seconds.

"disk swapping" was one of the things PS3 had over 360 in the flame wars, so that this argument now seems to do a 180 makes me smile :D

Yeah, and now every One game has to be installed. Lol, the reversal is funny.


As will every retail PS4 game...

For me its not disk swapping that is the issue, its disks in general. For someone that lives in a trendy but small condo in Downtown Toronto, and wants to put together a seamles entertainment unit which is used for multiple purposes including gaming, there really is no room for piles of disks on the wall and on the ground while I am gaming.

Options are good and hopefully PS4 has an option to install a game and verify DRM online as I really don't plan to continue gaming using disks as the medium. To me disks are a distribution device and can pretty much go in the garbage once a game is installed on your profile and saved in the cloud...



enditall727 on 31 May 2013
disolitude said:
pezus said:
Lafiel said:
JerCotter7 said:
disolitude said:
This means that PS4 is either going to require manual disk swaps as disks themselves are going to enforce the DRM for the installed game, or will be pirates wet dream.


Of course it will require disk swaps. I don't see how that's even a bad thing. Takes about 5 seconds.

"disk swapping" was one of the things PS3 had over 360 in the flame wars, so that this argument now seems to do a 180 makes me smile :D

Yeah, and now every One game has to be installed. Lol, the reversal is funny.


As will every retail PS4 game...

For me its not disk swapping that is the issue, its disks in general. For someone that lives in a trendy but small condo in Downtown Toronto, and wants to put together a seamles entertainment unit which is used for multiple purposes including gaming, there really is no room for piles of disks on the wall and on the ground while I am gaming.

Options are good and hopefully PS4 has an option to install a game and verify DRM online as I really don't plan to continue gaming using disks as the medium. To me disks are a distribution device and can pretty much go in the garbage once a game is installed on your profile and saved in the cloud...


Sounds like you might need to hop over to Steam.