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mtu9356 on 27 May 2013
disolitude said:
mtu9356 said:


The problem still remains that much of the world(parts of the u.s. included) don't have the infrastructure to provide internet access.  This problem won't be going away anytime soon.


But will those people have the need for a 400+ dollar gaming entertainment hub in their livingroom?

Im not saying there won't be an odd person here and there who really has internet roadblocks but would like to own a entertainment center like Xbox One. The % of those people will be relatively low in my opinion. 

The way I see it:

If you have no high speed internet, and no way of getting internet you are not in a market for a next gen console for different reasons

If you have high speed internet available, but can't afford it, again you are not in the market for the next gen consoles

if you have high speed internet but its "spotty" and disconnects often, you should be able to enjoy the console as you would any other console (single player mostly, multiplayer when internet is available)

Just because someone doesn't have access to the internet does not mean they can't afford a 400+ dollar console.  That's actually insulting.

Your opinion is wrong.  The majority of people on earth don't have internet.  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Internet_usage)

The point you can take from this discussion is that Microsoft is alienating a large percentage of their fanbase they aquired during the 360 era by introducing the need for internet for basic function.



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flagstaad on 27 May 2013
sales2099 said:
So really the only issue is lending a game to a friend?

Because the trading in games issue was addressed. So its just the lending part thats a big con?

Well if Sony does it too, it would be very interesting

The way it was addressed may work in US and some other countries but is terrible for the rest of the world. The lending is a bigger con for me in particular, but the game communities in Latam have a healthy trading commerce as the games here are just too expensive to just buy new and the stores don´t have used games services.

It is eve worse if the PS4 confirms this as PS3 user were used to share their games as piracy was not available.



sales2099 on 27 May 2013
flagstaad said:
sales2099 said:
So really the only issue is lending a game to a friend?

Because the trading in games issue was addressed. So its just the lending part thats a big con?

Well if Sony does it too, it would be very interesting

The way it was addressed may work in US and some other countries but is terrible for the rest of the world. The lending is a bigger con for me in particular, but the game communities in Latam have a healthy trading commerce as the games here are just too expensive to just buy new and the stores don´t have used games services.

It is eve worse if the PS4 confirms this as PS3 user were used to share their games as piracy was not available.

As long as a gaming store has a computer with internet, they can register for this used game service, whereby they wipe the first users data clean and thus resell it to someone new. Really, only 3rd world gaming stores would suffer, but even then those countries have internet themselves.



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disolitude on 27 May 2013
mtu9356 said:
disolitude said:
mtu9356 said:
 


The problem still remains that much of the world(parts of the u.s. included) don't have the infrastructure to provide internet access.  This problem won't be going away anytime soon.


But will those people have the need for a 400+ dollar gaming entertainment hub in their livingroom?

Im not saying there won't be an odd person here and there who really has internet roadblocks but would like to own a entertainment center like Xbox One. The % of those people will be relatively low in my opinion. 

The way I see it:

If you have no high speed internet, and no way of getting internet you are not in a market for a next gen console for different reasons

If you have high speed internet available, but can't afford it, again you are not in the market for the next gen consoles

if you have high speed internet but its "spotty" and disconnects often, you should be able to enjoy the console as you would any other console (single player mostly, multiplayer when internet is available)

Just because someone doesn't have access to the internet does not mean they can't afford a 400+ dollar console.  That's actually insulting.

Your opinion is wrong.  The majority of people on earth don't have internet.  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Internet_usage)

The point you can take from this discussion is that Microsoft is alienating a large percentage of their fanbase they aquired during the 360 era by introducing the need for internet for basic function.


I personally don't think its insulting at all to think like that if I am a corporation planning a product strategy. 

There is always going to be wealthy people who can afford literally anything, but in terms of mass market sales and opportunities, I think its safe to assume that if you're selling a box that combines TV cable, gaming, VOIP and other online services, your main consumer is going to be internet connected.

Some sales may be lost from hardcore gamers without internet but I don't think microsofts main goal is product sales but service sales. They want you using Xbox live, Skype, IE, Bing, Skydrive...internet needed for all.  Selling a hardware at a loss or at cost and gaming royalties are hardly exciting for a company like Microsoft. 

The global internet usage charts are interesting for sure. I guess Microsoft is gambling that the internet adoption rate in the next 5 years won't hurt their sales...I really don't know myself if its going to or not.



osed125 on 27 May 2013
zumnupy10 said:
Birimbau said:
Guys don't deceive yourselves, Sony stated they will let thirds choose if they want it or not on their games, it's up to them, as thirds want to make money with used games sales, they want a DRM system on Ps4 as well as on XOne.


This is what I believe will happen too. 

It will be interesting to see what third parties will include this DRM in their games.   Ubisoft and EA are likely candidates since they already implement drm in most of PC games.

I think "leave it to publishers" won't change anything in the grand scheme of things. If MS is doing it full force on the Xbone then 3rd parties will do the exact same thing on the PS4, sure it's optional, but that won't stop 3rd parties from taking advantage of it. Sony 1st party games and indie games will be safe, but those represent a very low percentage of a console's library, so in the end it will be the same as the Xbone (unless you go exclusively on 1st party and indie games).



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flagstaad on 27 May 2013
sales2099 said:

As long as a gaming store has a computer with internet, they can register for this used game service, whereby they wipe the first users data clean and thus resell it to someone new. Really, only 3rd world gaming stores would suffer, but even then those countries have internet themselves.

The store here DON´T sell used games, and they will not start now. The trading occurs mostly on facebook communites and some auctions websites.

Now if EVERYONE can do it (register for the used game service= and not just stores, the problem may get solved and become only an inconvenience.



sales2099 on 27 May 2013
flagstaad said:
sales2099 said:

As long as a gaming store has a computer with internet, they can register for this used game service, whereby they wipe the first users data clean and thus resell it to someone new. Really, only 3rd world gaming stores would suffer, but even then those countries have internet themselves.

The store here DON´T sell used games, and they will not start now. The trading occurs mostly on facebook communites and some auctions websites.

Now if EVERYONE can do it (register for the used game service= and not just stores, the problem may get solved and become only an inconvenience.

Colombia eh? Not exactly a major gaming market. Unfortuante, but perhaps MS will solve this in a case by case basis. But for now, I guess we have to wait for further clarification on the matter.



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Nem on 27 May 2013
sales2099 said:
It would be funny if EA and Activision purposely give the Xbox One multiplats a one month exclusivity window until Sony adopts what they want.

It is just a hard idea to believe that they demand MS follow through but not Sony. Either both do it or none do it.

Nintendo goes their own way, as usual.


Do you really think microsoft is innocent on this and is beeing forced to do it? Dont be naive. Microsoft wants their cut on the whole deal. They intend to charge their platform fee again aswell. They are just as bad as EA and Activision.    



zumnupy10 on 27 May 2013
osed125 said:
zumnupy10 said:
Birimbau said:
Guys don't deceive yourselves, Sony stated they will let thirds choose if they want it or not on their games, it's up to them, as thirds want to make money with used games sales, they want a DRM system on Ps4 as well as on XOne.


This is what I believe will happen too. 

It will be interesting to see what third parties will include this DRM in their games.   Ubisoft and EA are likely candidates since they already implement drm in most of PC games.

I think "leave it to publishers" won't change anything in the grand scheme of things. If MS is doing it full force on the Xbone then 3rd parties will do the exact same thing on the PS4, sure it's optional, but that won't stop 3rd parties from taking advantage of it. Sony 1st party games and indie games will be safe, but those represent a very low percentage of a console's library, so in the end it will be the same as the Xbone (unless you go exclusively on 1st party and indie games).

I know many publishers will take advantage of this, specially the bigger ones like Activision,EA and Ubisoft.  But I don't think all publishers will implement DRM.

 I'm waiting for Sony to announce the policies for their first party titles.  Most of the games I play on my PS3 are first party.

Supporting companies that want to take my right of freely reselling my  games, is out of question for me.



Nem on 27 May 2013
disolitude said:
Nem said:
disolitude said:

Exactly cause you haven't made a single point that could be considered valid...


You dont know what your talking about but i will let you know this so its obvious to you aswell as everyone else that might not know. A service is recurrent. There, you cant tell i didnt teach you anything now. Now, refrain from talking about things you dont know about. This stubberness is unpleasant. You need to learn when its time to admit you dont know enough about the topic. There is nothing to be ashamed about. No one can know everything.


Lol I know a hell of a lot more about DRM than you think but have no need to explain anything to you since you are still not making any points yourself. Just leeching on what other people are saying and saying they are wrong.

I never debated the topic with you, so what you are saying is moot. What i told you is that you talked nonsense when saying products and services are the same. Since then you have just been trying to hold onto scraps.
The conversation tree is still here if you need a refresher.

Btw, sorry for the long trees guys im posting on the vita and its difficult to get rid of them.

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