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disolitude on 27 May 2013
Nem said:
disolitude said:
mtu9356 said:
disolitude said:

I guess the definition of games working vs being enjoyable and played as they are meant to can be argued here. I played Dead rising on xbox 360 on a 32 inch SD TV while I was at my friends cottage for a week. It wasn't nearly as fun as it was on my HDTv at home.

We don't know yet for sure since we don't know what will be available without internet, but similar situation may be applied about next gen games and internet.

You will deffinetly not have as much fun without internet, but this may come with reduced content available and not lack of visual stimulation in the SD vs HD debate last gen. People buckled down and bought HGTV's throughout last gen... so wouldn't it be fair to say that it may time to buckle down and get high speed internet durring this gen?


You really can't compare buying an hd tv (product) with paying for internet (service).

On a definition term basis you're absolutely right. they are 2 different things.

However on where our society and economy is at today VS back in 2005, I think they are comparable. Services are essentially the new products these days. Products tend to be free even but the tie in service is what you end up paying for...

Stop the presses! Marketing has just been re-invented by disolitude. Lets write new books and manuals because it all changed... or not. A product and a service are vastly different things, wich you seem to be mixing up with customer relationship. 

Sorry, but youre talking nonsense.


I am not sure what you are refering to here since you decided to reply with banter and sarcasm instead of comprehensable information.

I aknowledge the differences between services and producs...completely different things. All I said is that services are much more prominant in 2013 than 2005 so asking for a service subscription in order for a product to work properly isnt as far fetched as you kids make it seem.

Also there is the fact is that game companies have been trying to turn games in to a "service" instead of a "product" for many years, with season and all access passes, monthly memberships and free to play models eventually turning a game in to a service.

Even Xbox is expected to be sold at a discount if bundled with an xbl monthly service...this trend will only continue.



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Booyah on 27 May 2013
enditall727 said:
Booyah said:


Any reasoning you can use for Sony not losing 3rd party support you could have used the same reasoning for Nintendo before Sony showed up.

I'm not saying it will happen, but saying that 3rd parties would never under any circumstances ditch Sony is ridiculous.


Well i think they left Ninty because they launched later and had like no space on those cartridges

I never said under any circumstances.This drm thing is not a reason for devs to leave Sony if they dont use it

I bet people said that cartridges weren't enough for 3rd parties to ditch Nintendo.

 

And I think it depends, if Sony said they would do DRM then take it back, thats a huge reason.

 

But if they never planned DRM then they have no issue.

 

We will just have to wait and see.



enditall727 on 27 May 2013
MB1025 said:
Also just want to point out that if this true that would mean Sony lied (you know like that evil MS did) about not having such a thing or even thinking about it.


Nah they wouldn't be lieing, broski

 

They already said that the used game thing would be up to the devs

 

They were talking about "always online" when they said they never thought about it

 

Nice try though ;)



MB1025 on 27 May 2013
enditall727 said:
MB1025 said:
Also just want to point out that if this true that would mean Sony lied (you know like that evil MS did) about not having such a thing or even thinking about it.


Nah they wouldn't be lieing, broski

 

They already said that the used game thing would be up to the devs

 

They were talking about "always online" when they said they never thought about it

 

Nice try though ;)


So having a full DRM system in place is leaving it up to the devs?

Looks like you shouldn't be so whitty.



ironmanDX on 27 May 2013

Sony have been doing DRM already with the PS3 haven't they?



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binary solo on 27 May 2013
disolitude said:
First of all I don't buy this as Sony really doesn't have much choice here. If 3rd parties and publishers want DRM(and they do) they will get DRM...If Sony doesn't provide it, they will get spanked.

Secondly, this "DRM" is just software and not something that is set in stone, meaning it can be adjusted at any time. Both Sony and Microsoft are going to try things in the next 6 months and find the best possible solution for gamers and publishers alike.

Lastly, this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion. When its all said and done, people will most likely be able to trade in and sell their hard copies of the game. The moment the game is installed on another machine, it will get disabled on the original account. Hence why a 24 hour internet check-in makes sense.

Not quite.

They will get spanked IF PS4 isn't selling significantly more consoles than Xbone. 3rd parties know where the profits are and that's on the [non-Nintendo] system with the biggest install base. If MS implements anti-consumer DRM and Sony does not, then this will have an effect on buying choices to the detriment of Xbone.

Even if PS4 sells about the same as Xbone 3rd parties are not going to ignore PS4. They might give Xbone some exclusive DLC stuff, but that's not spanking.

Publisher based DRM is a reality in the PS360Wii Era, so Sony saying DRM will be left up to the publisher basically means status quo. The fact that publishers haven't implemented a SP pass this generation isn't because they can't, it's because implementing anything more than online pass mid-generation would cause meltdowns. They went as far as they could with DRM this generation by implementing online pass and have softened peope up for the full monty next gen.

I'm fine for Sony and MS to let publishers be the masters of their own fate in this. Their hardware should be DRM neutral, just like the PC is a DRM neutral platform. They can also make their own decision about DRM on the games they publish.



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enditall727 on 27 May 2013
MB1025 said:
enditall727 said:
MB1025 said:
Also just want to point out that if this true that would mean Sony lied (you know like that evil MS did) about not having such a thing or even thinking about it.


Nah they wouldn't be lieing, broski

 

They already said that the used game thing would be up to the devs

 

They were talking about "always online" when they said they never thought about it

 

Nice try though ;)


So having a full DRM system in place is leaving it up to the devs?

Looks like you shouldn't be so whitty.


Yep according to what is known. If the devs want to act(EA) then its there for them

 

But they wouldn't have lied at the end of the day like you claimed if implemented



ArnoldRimmer on 27 May 2013

Not sure if what he says is actually true, but anyway it is extremely reasonable.

He's absolutely right: The common "Xbox One is the greatest, bestest device ever! Criticism forbidden! Many things not confirmed yet, so nobody should even talk about them! At least until E3!"-theme sung by so many Xbox fans is just as foolish as believing that Sony doesn't consider such anti-customer policies as well. If Microsoft got away with them, Sony would soon use them too.

When it comes to clear anti-customer policies, console rivalry is foolish. If there's something you don't like about your favourite company's next console, speak up instead of defending the undefendable. Because if the shitstorm is too big, the manufacturers will reconsider their ideas. Microsoft WILL ultimately come up with something more customer-friendly, which is good for fans of all consoles.

The "See??? I told you to wait until E3 with your criticism!!!"-guys will believe they were right all along, but in fact it was the people openly criticizing possible anti-customer-policies that saved the world. They're heroes!



Stefan.De.Machtige on 27 May 2013

Come on people. Let's be real.
Sony already agreed to a similar DRM as Microsoft. The third party developers are pushing this on them.

Sony is not Nintendo, who can tell them to get lost. EA in itself is already vital to keeping to their European market. No Fifa, no Europe. So Sony gets whats EA demands :(.



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Conegamer on 27 May 2013

Well, it's on hold so it could easily be implemented, and likely will for certain 3rd-parties to keep them on side. It's a pretty sad state of affairs that companies need to do this (if it is indeed the case) to keep the 3rd Party support, but, well, that's the industry as it is at the moment.



 

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