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SvennoJ on 26 May 2013
enditall727 said:
SvennoJ said:
Sony is definitely in a hard spot atm.

If Sony refuses to implement system wide drm, publishers can always implement it themselves: online activation via product key, online checks when starting the game. And you'll end up with an EA account, Ubisoft account, etc. In that case Microsofts' system wide drm system suddenly starts looking better, offering easier installation and at least some, albeit mutilated, form of second hand sales.

Of course those publishers might think twice. They'll obviously be excluding offline console users, and it will give others, like CDProjekt, a chance to steal the spotlight.

It looks to be a game of chicken at the moment.

There will be no online checks if it happens.

 

and there would be no point in adding it if the devs are getting money from the used games.

How would that work without online registration?



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disolitude on 27 May 2013
enditall727 said:
Nem said:
disolitude said:
mtu9356 said:
disolitude said:

I guess the definition of games working vs being enjoyable and played as they are meant to can be argued here. I played Dead rising on xbox 360 on a 32 inch SD TV while I was at my friends cottage for a week. It wasn't nearly as fun as it was on my HDTv at home.

We don't know yet for sure since we don't know what will be available without internet, but similar situation may be applied about next gen games and internet.

You will deffinetly not have as much fun without internet, but this may come with reduced content available and not lack of visual stimulation in the SD vs HD debate last gen. People buckled down and bought HGTV's throughout last gen... so wouldn't it be fair to say that it may time to buckle down and get high speed internet durring this gen?


You really can't compare buying an hd tv (product) with paying for internet (service).

On a definition term basis you're absolutely right. they are 2 different things.

However on where our society and economy is at today VS back in 2005, I think they are comparable. Services are essentially the new products these days. Products tend to be free even but the tie in service is what you end up paying for...

Stop the presses! Marketing has just been re-invented by disolitude. Lets write new books and manuals because it all changed... or not. A product and a service are vastly different things, wich you seem to be mixing up with customer relationship. 

Sorry, but youre talking nonsense.

This is disolitude lol

 

He does this frequently

Dont really know who you nor have I seen you make any worthwhile posts, but im glad you keep tabs on my posting habbits...



enditall727 on 27 May 2013
Booyah said:
enditall727 said:
Booyah said:
If this rumor is true that they have DRM on the PS4 and are reconsidering, then Sony is in a predicament.

Do they renege on the DRM and piss off 3rd parties and possibly end up with WiiU level of 3rd party support. They might get worse backlash from 3rd parties than Nintendo for this.

Or do they stay the course and hope that consumers come around to the new DRM, and not piss off 3rd parties to keep getting support.

I think from a business stand point they should just stay the course and see if people cool down on the DRM issue, which I think will smooth over easier if both Sony and MS are implementing the same thing. I don't think Sony is willing to shit all over 3rd parties to quell some internet fanatics.

Either way Sony has some tough choices ahead if all this is true.


Shitting on 3rd parties?

 

They would be shitting on gamers!

 

3rd parties actually sell on PlayStation. They wont pull support from THE CREATOR of this market


3rd parties jumped ship from Nintendo when PS released, what makes you think they wouldn't do the same to Sony?

 

I bet you that when 3rd parties ditched Nintendo back in the day, people said that they wouldnt pull support from the SAVIORS of the gaming market.


Some, not all.

 

They all pretty much flourished in the PlayStation market so they wont be left behind ;)



enditall727 on 27 May 2013
SvennoJ said:
enditall727 said:
SvennoJ said:
Sony is definitely in a hard spot atm.

If Sony refuses to implement system wide drm, publishers can always implement it themselves: online activation via product key, online checks when starting the game. And you'll end up with an EA account, Ubisoft account, etc. In that case Microsofts' system wide drm system suddenly starts looking better, offering easier installation and at least some, albeit mutilated, form of second hand sales.

Of course those publishers might think twice. They'll obviously be excluding offline console users, and it will give others, like CDProjekt, a chance to steal the spotlight.

It looks to be a game of chicken at the moment.

There will be no online checks if it happens.

 

and there would be no point in adding it if the devs are getting money from the used games.

How would that work without online registration?


oh registration? I thought you were saying some sort of online frequent check lol



enditall727 on 27 May 2013
disolitude said:
enditall727 said:
Nem said:
disolitude said:
mtu9356 said:
disolitude said:

I guess the definition of games working vs being enjoyable and played as they are meant to can be argued here. I played Dead rising on xbox 360 on a 32 inch SD TV while I was at my friends cottage for a week. It wasn't nearly as fun as it was on my HDTv at home.

We don't know yet for sure since we don't know what will be available without internet, but similar situation may be applied about next gen games and internet.

You will deffinetly not have as much fun without internet, but this may come with reduced content available and not lack of visual stimulation in the SD vs HD debate last gen. People buckled down and bought HGTV's throughout last gen... so wouldn't it be fair to say that it may time to buckle down and get high speed internet durring this gen?


You really can't compare buying an hd tv (product) with paying for internet (service).

On a definition term basis you're absolutely right. they are 2 different things.

However on where our society and economy is at today VS back in 2005, I think they are comparable. Services are essentially the new products these days. Products tend to be free even but the tie in service is what you end up paying for...

Stop the presses! Marketing has just been re-invented by disolitude. Lets write new books and manuals because it all changed... or not. A product and a service are vastly different things, wich you seem to be mixing up with customer relationship. 

Sorry, but youre talking nonsense.

This is disolitude lol

 

He does this frequently

Dont really know who you nor have I seen you make any worthwhile posts, but im glad you keep tabs on my posting habbits...


Thanks ;)

 

Ive chatted with you before so i know what i'm talking about



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Booyah on 27 May 2013
enditall727 said:
Booyah said:


3rd parties jumped ship from Nintendo when PS released, what makes you think they wouldn't do the same to Sony?

 

I bet you that when 3rd parties ditched Nintendo back in the day, people said that they wouldnt pull support from the SAVIORS of the gaming market.


Some, not all.

 

They all pretty much flourished in the PlayStation market so they wont be left behind ;)


Any reasoning you can use for Sony not losing 3rd party support you could have used the same reasoning for Nintendo before Sony showed up.

I'm not saying it will happen, but saying that 3rd parties would never under any circumstances ditch Sony is ridiculous.



MB1025 on 27 May 2013

Also just want to point out that if this true that would mean Sony lied (you know like that evil MS did) about not having such a thing or even thinking about it.



Subie_Greg on 27 May 2013
enditall727 said:


Whats the definition of drm?

 

That always online check thing seems to be an Xbox exclusive along with instslling each game.

 

Sony only seems to have a used game system that lets devs disable the game until you buy some type of pass for it(which would be wack)

 

I dont think Sony will be doing all that extra sh!t. Sony is known to have stuff leaked the most right? well this was the only thing ever leaked on it while xbox had leaks about being somehow aways online, used games not working and Kinect somehow being built in the system.

 

I know you want Sony to do it all but i dont think they will

This is actually a really good point ^^^ Thought more would have responded to it

There wasn't much about either system that was "new news" at their reveals. More confirmation than anything. We knew about the always online and required Kinect months before May 21st, just waited for confirmation.

Sony's DRM (or whatever you want to call it) doesn't seem to be anything like Microsofts. They stated it was up to the Publisher's of the games not Sony or the PS4 lol. Seems more of a system of pass keys and online passes imo



SvennoJ on 27 May 2013
enditall727 said:
SvennoJ said:
enditall727 said:
SvennoJ said:
Sony is definitely in a hard spot atm.

If Sony refuses to implement system wide drm, publishers can always implement it themselves: online activation via product key, online checks when starting the game. And you'll end up with an EA account, Ubisoft account, etc. In that case Microsofts' system wide drm system suddenly starts looking better, offering easier installation and at least some, albeit mutilated, form of second hand sales.

Of course those publishers might think twice. They'll obviously be excluding offline console users, and it will give others, like CDProjekt, a chance to steal the spotlight.

It looks to be a game of chicken at the moment.

There will be no online checks if it happens.

 

and there would be no point in adding it if the devs are getting money from the used games.

How would that work without online registration?


oh registration? I thought you were saying some sort of online frequent check lol

Yes the online checks are only neccesary if you want to start the game on a different console with the same account. Same as it is now with xbla. (Or if they want to offer a similar trade in scheme to xbox one)



enditall727 on 27 May 2013
Booyah said:
enditall727 said:
Booyah said:


3rd parties jumped ship from Nintendo when PS released, what makes you think they wouldn't do the same to Sony?

 

I bet you that when 3rd parties ditched Nintendo back in the day, people said that they wouldnt pull support from the SAVIORS of the gaming market.


Some, not all.

 

They all pretty much flourished in the PlayStation market so they wont be left behind ;)


Any reasoning you can use for Sony not losing 3rd party support you could have used the same reasoning for Nintendo before Sony showed up.

I'm not saying it will happen, but saying that 3rd parties would never under any circumstances ditch Sony is ridiculous.


Well i think they left Ninty because they launched later and had like no space on those cartridges

I never said under any circumstances.This drm thing is not a reason for devs to leave Sony if they dont use it