True that and also they might have dedicated processing power especially since the XBone has kinect 2.0 involved in so many aspects of the interface so it might take away from the actual game itself :/. Its is a bummer that a peripheral can really take away from a gaming experience as much as it gives.

I will try do explain what he is talking using real numbers...

This is why have PC's, so we dont have to rely on consoles for that :P

of course PS4 games will run at a higher frame rate, its basically 2 fairly identical PCs, but one with a faster graphics card in, if this was a PC comparison, it wouldn't even be a question it would just be obvious.

And that is exactly what these 2 consoles are identical x86 processor PCs with different rated Radeon graphics cards.

the extra frames per second is nice, but isn't usually a deciding factor for me when I purchase a game. for instance, GTA V, i could care less if it ran at 30 fps, I will enjoy the hell out of that game.

16k at 1000FPS or dead on arrival

This is it. 

PS4 games will run better than XBO games every time with no extra effort. 3rd parties would actually have to do more work to cut it down to make sure it was identical. If sony can put together any kind of lead in software sales you can bet every game will be signifigantly better on PS4. Otherwise the old money hatting of select games will have to do. 

if PC games can be adjusted in framerate and resolution and such by the user on the fly then why wouldn't a developer be able to change the FPS or some other effects and then finalize that game for PS4 if they're so similar.  That's what I don't get about people saying they will have to make it for both adn they have to be equal.  What you guys said makes perfect sense and the only reason I could see it not coming true is if MS has some ridiculous stipulation like when they make people release before or at the same time on XBL or not at all.  It's time devs take a stand and say "no MS we're using this system to its fullest potential and putting the game out when it's ready.  If you don't like it then we'll just get them to hype us up as an exclusive."

Oh boy.. you should go back to 14372634 older threads here in the forum. Watch all those people fighting over "My Box has 2fps more than your box". This was basically the key argument over the years why "my p.. is bigger than your p.."

Yeah specs will do that, now I want my unique games. I'm looking at you Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft.