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Dno on 31 January 2008
Stockstar1138 said:

I keep seeing, not only on vgcharts, but on other websites too, people bashing GT5:P (Gran Turismo 5: Prolouge) and its price.  It really seems silly for people to be criticizing a game in which most of them have only seen screenshots and promo videos.  I keep hearing things like, "I'm not paying 40 bucks for a demo."  This game is not a demo, if you want to play a demo of the game for free, make a Japanese PSN account where you can download the GT5:P demo, you get about 4 cars, 1 track, and 1 event.

Prolouge has 40 different cars ranging from Daihatsu to Ferrari, around 50 seperate events, many of which have different objectives so it doesn't get boring (normal racing, mission racing, time trails, etc.), 10 different tracks that are drop dead beautiful, GTTV - a program that gets updated with full 1080p racing news/shows, and supports online racing with up to 16 people.  I'm sorry, but there is more in the Prolouge of GT5 than there was in Motorstorm, and a lot of people had no problem paying $60 bucks for that game.  This game has a ton of replay value, which I think many of us consider a very valuable quality in the game and truly is "The New Standard" in racing games.  The physics of GT5:P blow Forza 2 out of the water.  Forza 2 is its own game and has its own strengths I realize, but in terms of realism in driving it doesn't compare.  Also, for people worried and po'd there is no damage, that is taken care of with the 5 second penalties if you bump into other cars, walls.  This game is very challenging, I have played it for hours already and have only achieved 1st in about 75% of the races so far, you cannot be bumping into cars, walls and expect to win the race, you have to learn how to really drive and pass other cars cleanily. 

 I know this isn't the same thing, but I know a ton of people who had no problem going out an plopping down $60 bucks on crackdown, with no intention to ever play crackdown, in order to play the Halo 3 beta.  This is really no different except for the fact that Halo 3 beta was only a limited amount of time, really didn't have as much content as GT5:P. and the fact that Halo 3 came out 4 months later.  You can probably bet that GT5 won't come out until Q1 09, if Polyphony Digital's record stays the same in delaying these games.  That means you will get a full year of playablity out of this game, before the actual game comes out, I really don't think asking $40 for that is excessive at all considering everthing you get.

Yeah, GT5 is going to dwarf this game, but GT5 is going to be HUGE (and probably have a ton of microtransactions), I'm just comparing this to other games out there.  The Prolouge of a huge game is practically the size of many normal games. I can truly say that I don't feel shortchanged at all with my money, and I spent $50 importing it from Japan.  GT5:P has exceeded my expectations in every way.
 Its your money, you can wait a full year for the full game to come out, but just remember a year can be a very long time, when anticpating a game.


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Stockstar1138 on 31 January 2008

"I don't really understand the marketing for this game. A prologue to a game? An extended demo?

I don't know why they're releasing it like this.

Will the prologue content be available on the whole release?

I'm not a fan of the GT games, so haven't being paying attention to this, but from a marketing point of view, surely this lack of clarity is a bad thing."


This has been how GT has been done in the past, its just that this is the first time the Prolouge to the game is getting released in America.

Its not like Prolouge will be inside the actual game + a bunch of other stuff that Prolougue buyers didn't get to see. Yes, the same cars that are in Prolouge will be in the actual game, same with the tracks, but the races, time trails, and missions will all be different, so by just buying GT5, you will not be getting to experience the same content as buyers of both, however it will be similar.

I feel like the main reasoning behind releasing GT5:P is the fact that Polyphony Digital has a real hard time getting these games to market in a reasonable time. Delays are very prevlent in the GT series. I think they feel like if they release GT5:P there will be less complaining and po'd people when GT5 gets delayed a few times. PD is satisfying people who want to experience the next GT5 in a reasonable amount of time and you can't really fault a company for meeting consumers demands

I agree with you that GT5:P lacks clarity in what it is. A lot of people are confused as to if this is a demo, an actual game, a preview of a game, i'm really not sure how to describe it myself, and I expect to see a ton of people go to the store and go, "OMGZ! I didnt knows GT5 is out!" and buy it then come on the internt and go, "Forza 2 was a lot better than GT5, GT5 only has like 40 cars and 10 tracks, wtf sony!?"



Kasz216 on 31 January 2008
Stockstar1138 said:
"I don't really understand the marketing for this game. A prologue to a game? An extended demo?

I don't know why they're releasing it like this.

Will the prologue content be available on the whole release?

I'm not a fan of the GT games, so haven't being paying attention to this, but from a marketing point of view, surely this lack of clarity is a bad thing."


This has been how GT has been done in the past, its just that this is the first time the Prolouge to the game is getting released in America.

Its not like Prolouge will be inside the actual game + a bunch of other stuff that Prolougue buyers didn't get to see. Yes, the same cars that are in Prolouge will be in the actual game, same with the tracks, but the races, time trails, and missions will all be different, so by just buying GT5, you will not be getting to experience the same content as buyers of both, however it will be similar.

I feel like the main reasoning behind releasing GT5:P is the fact that Polyphony Digital has a real hard time getting these games to market in a reasonable time. Delays are very prevlent in the GT series. I think they feel like if they release GT5:P there will be less complaining and po'd people when GT5 gets delayed a few times. PD is satisfying people who want to experience the next GT5 in a reasonable amount of time and you can't really fault a company for meeting consumers demands

I agree with you that GT5:P lacks clarity in what it is. A lot of people are confused as to if this is a demo, an actual game, a preview of a game, i'm really not sure how to describe it myself, and I expect to see a ton of people go to the store and go, "OMGZ! I didnt knows GT5 is out!" and buy it then come on the internt and go, "Forza 2 was a lot better than GT5, GT5 only has like 40 cars and 10 tracks, wtf sony!?"

 While I think they can't get them to market fast enough, so this is a great way for them to grab some money to keep them floating without having to take out loans. (Or more loans.)



Rath on 31 January 2008

It is a demo. A demo is something given out or sold at a cheaper price in order to make people buy the full game.

Now I personally think they are hugely ripping people off with the $40 price tag. I know its a exceptionally large demo but to expect people to buy that and then pay full price for the game just seems crude to me. Personally I think they should either do what other people have suggested and offer a discount on the final game or sell prologue for a more reasonable price of around 10-20 dollars.



Rath on 31 January 2008

It is a demo. A demo is something given out or sold at a cheaper price in order to make people buy the full game.

Now I personally think they are hugely ripping people off with the $40 price tag. I know its a exceptionally large demo but to expect people to buy that and then pay full price for the game just seems crude to me. Personally I think they should either do what other people have suggested and offer a discount on the final game or sell prologue for a more reasonable price of around 10-20 dollars.



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PS-She on 31 January 2008

If you think $40 is too expensive then don't buy it.  Those who think it's worthwhile will buy it.

I'm going to wait for the full game but that doesn't mean that I'll insult those who decide GT5:P is worth their money.



weezy on 31 January 2008

IMHO gta's fun factor is running around killing ppl with gats and that only lasts about 1 day at the most for me.

Ive completed not 1 mission on GTA in my entire life.

Are ppl's opinion bashing? I think not.



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PS-She on 31 January 2008
weezy said:
IMHO gta's fun factor is running around killing ppl with gats and that only lasts about 1 day at the most for me.

Ive completed not 1 mission on GTA in my entire life.

Wrong game. 



weezy on 31 January 2008

^ thanks for the heads up

....ROFL

 

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CDiablo on 31 January 2008
Nick said:
 

Off topic: I thought the purpose of 2 versions of Pokemon was there for force people to trade with each other. I'm not into Pokemon so I'm not sure if that's true. Just what I've always thought.


Actually the word you are looking for is encourage trading, and the kids love it.

 

As for GT5P, my only gripe is that uninformed buyers will buy this game thinking its GT5, with prolouge being a subtitle(kind of like A Spec). It will confuse people but Sony is no stranger to that.



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