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Navane on 17 May 2013
Lucas-Rio said:
People starting these threads in the Nintendo fortum should be permanently banned. This is just provocation and offensive.

I stated my intention at the very beginning. I'm not one of those people that think the Wii U is dead. As far as I'm concerned, the Wii U will be very much alive with the games that Nintendo will be developing for its system. Gamecube may have sold terribly, but it was my favorite console during that generation. I've had so many great memories with it, and have had great fun with alot of the core Nintendo games they've released.



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Soundwave on 17 May 2013
RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

I think $350 would be reasonable, sure. By the time the PS4/720 come out, they could comfortably slide it down $299.99 and be probably $100, even $200 cheaper.

A 7770 AMD GPU is 1.2 TFLOP and is like $80-$90 retail. Slap 4 overclocked Broadway cores to that and you have a system that could basically run any PS4/720 game in 720p at least. It wouldn't be able to fit in a tiny little box like Nintendo would want (it would maybe have to be the size of the original NES for instance -- the horror!) and it would consume more electricity, but who cares. Power consumption could be brought down over the years anyway with die shrinks.

Any scenario is going to have some challenges, that's the nature of competetion. But I think this type of system would've secured Nintendo a much more comfortable future than where they're at now, where they're stuck with an expensive controller that the general public is not responding to in the same way as the Wiimote (which was a predictable result -- you're pushing your luck if you think you could win the lottery twice).

Yeah, but that's not really what we are discussing here. We aren't talking about what would be a better system than the Wii U (because that doesn't take much any way you slice it), but the best course of action that Nintendo could take with their home console. Competing head to head with slim profit margins (that is if it works) still isn't a viable long term plan for a company that only makes video games. As soon as third parties decide that it isn't worth it, you'll be looking at a ship that sinks like the GameCube.


Mmmm ... personally I think the Wii U and GameCube is the model that yields the slimmest profits. It's not like you magically make extra money for being different or saying "we are in our own market". 

Nintendo software is where Nintendo makes their money from along with licensing fees. A higher userbase resulting from a more mainstream system would give Nintendo a higher userbase to sell their own games to and more royalty fees to collect from third parties.

Nintendo is competing with Sony/MS whether they want to admit it or not as well.

The GameCube would've waxed the XBox if it launched a full year earlier and had a comfortable no.2 finish that generation too IMO. Launching so late and making some silly choices with the hardware (a purple lunchbox? seriously how far out of touch do you have to be to think people actually would want that? how many purple appliances do people keep in their home generally? Hello? Bueller?).

The Super NES was the last really traditional system that Nintendo made which wasn't hamstrung by poor design choices and launching later than the Genesis really didn't hurt them back then, because Sega initially had no third party support or brand mindshare really to hurt Nintendo with.



Soundwave on 17 May 2013
RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

Mmmm ... personally I think the Wii U and GameCube is the model that yields the slimmest profits. It's not like you magically make extra money for being different or saying "we are in our own market". 

Nintendo software is where Nintendo makes their money from along with licensing fees. A higher userbase resulting from a more mainstream system would give Nintendo a higher userbase to sell their own games to and more royalty fees to collect from third parties.

Nintendo is competing with Sony/MS whether they want to admit it or not as well.

The GameCube would've waxed the XBox if it launched a full year earlier and had a comfortable no.2 finish that generation too IMO. Launching so late and making some silly choices with the hardware (a purple lunchbox? seriously how far out of touch do you have to be to think people actually would want that? how many purple appliances do people keep in their home generally? Hello? Bueller?).

The Super NES was the last really traditional system that Nintendo made which wasn't hamstrung by poor design choices and launching later than the Genesis really didn't hurt them back then, because Sega initially had no third party support or brand mindshare really to hurt Nintendo with.

So what about the here and now when it comes to third parties. Answer me this: Do you believe that all major third parties will support Nintendo throughout the generation, if only Nintendo provides hardware with comparable specs?

I think Nintendo genuinely had a window of oppurtunity here that they didn't recoginize properly. The blue ocean market has indeed moved on to tablets/phones, but there is a large market that's sick to death of their PS3/360 and wants to move on. Developers too, I think the development community wants to move on badly. That was actually the market Nintendo should've targetted. People are starving for a generational leap, not yet another 360/PS3 with a low-res screen taped to a Pro Controller.

There is no conspiracy against Nintendo either, they just keep making hardware that's hilariously out of step with what Western developers want. If they made a piece of hardware that was in tune with what Western developers want (which is basically a PC GPU in a box) it would probably be enthusiastically supported.

Especially if it's the only game in town for a year, a lot of publishers IMO would look at it and say "hey lets get a jump on the next-generation and be the next dominant publisher for the next 5-6 years by making the first next-gen blockbuster". Third parties don't actively dislike Nintendo, it's just that Nintendo keeps giving them reasons to look elsewhere.



Grandia on 17 May 2013

If the wiiu would die it would be sure not a good thing not for nintendo and sure not for the gamers.



Osc89 on 17 May 2013

I think it could well be a good thing. I would love Nintendo to switch to a hybrid that is both handheld and home console, and hopefully that is what they are planning what with the merging of the departments. This would be the best result of the Wii U failing.
I'm not exactly helping, having already bought a Wii U.



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zuvuyeay on 17 May 2013

Wii is the exception though being 100m seller,nothing wrong with a 50m console seller that profits



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zorg1000 on 17 May 2013
Osc89 said:
I think it could well be a good thing. I would love Nintendo to switch to a hybrid that is both handheld and home console, and hopefully that is what they are planning what with the merging of the departments. This would be the best result of the Wii U failing.
I'm not exactly helping, having already bought a Wii U.


I think they will release that in 2016 when Wii U/3DS have about 1-2 years lwft in them and do the whole "3rd pillar" thing again



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zorg1000 on 17 May 2013
RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:
RolStoppable said:

So what about the here and now when it comes to third parties. Answer me this: Do you believe that all major third parties will support Nintendo throughout the generation, if only Nintendo provides hardware with comparable specs?

I think Nintendo genuinely had a window of oppurtunity here that they didn't recoginize properly. The blue ocean market has indeed moved on to tablets/phones, but there is a large market that's sick to death of their PS3/360 and wants to move on. Developers too, I think the development community wants to move on badly. That was actually the market Nintendo should've targetted. People are starving for a generational leap, not yet another 360/PS3 with a low-res screen taped to a Pro Controller.

There is no conspiracy against Nintendo either, they just keep making hardware that's hilariously out of step with what Western developers want. If they made a piece of hardware that was in tune with what Western developers want (which is basically a PC GPU in a box) it would probably be enthusiastically supported.

Especially if it's the only game in town for a year, a lot of publishers IMO would look at it and say "hey lets get a jump on the next-generation and be the next dominant publisher for the next 5-6 years by making the first next-gen blockbuster". Third parties don't actively dislike Nintendo, it's just that Nintendo keeps giving them reasons to look elsewhere.

What do Japanese third parties want?


This is where I think Nintendo wil gey alot of support from. Sega/Namco/Capcom/Square Enix gave GC/Wii a solid amount of exclusives and I think Wii U will be the same. As for western devs Ubisoft/Activision will likely support it with multiplats for thw next few years.

Id also like Nintendo to continue doing partnerships on games that havent sold very well. Games like Soul Calibur and Ninja Gaiden last installments didnt sell too well, Nintendo should publish thoae games and help revitalize them.



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Soundwave on 17 May 2013
RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:
RolStoppable said:

So what about the here and now when it comes to third parties. Answer me this: Do you believe that all major third parties will support Nintendo throughout the generation, if only Nintendo provides hardware with comparable specs?

I think Nintendo genuinely had a window of oppurtunity here that they didn't recoginize properly. The blue ocean market has indeed moved on to tablets/phones, but there is a large market that's sick to death of their PS3/360 and wants to move on. Developers too, I think the development community wants to move on badly. That was actually the market Nintendo should've targetted. People are starving for a generational leap, not yet another 360/PS3 with a low-res screen taped to a Pro Controller.

There is no conspiracy against Nintendo either, they just keep making hardware that's hilariously out of step with what Western developers want. If they made a piece of hardware that was in tune with what Western developers want (which is basically a PC GPU in a box) it would probably be enthusiastically supported.

Especially if it's the only game in town for a year, a lot of publishers IMO would look at it and say "hey lets get a jump on the next-generation and be the next dominant publisher for the next 5-6 years by making the first next-gen blockbuster". Third parties don't actively dislike Nintendo, it's just that Nintendo keeps giving them reasons to look elsewhere.

What do Japanese third parties want?


I don't think even Japanese developers know the answer to that question. Even if they did, they are losing relevance by the week.



Soundwave on 17 May 2013
zorg1000 said:
RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:
RolStoppable said:

So what about the here and now when it comes to third parties. Answer me this: Do you believe that all major third parties will support Nintendo throughout the generation, if only Nintendo provides hardware with comparable specs?

I think Nintendo genuinely had a window of oppurtunity here that they didn't recoginize properly. The blue ocean market has indeed moved on to tablets/phones, but there is a large market that's sick to death of their PS3/360 and wants to move on. Developers too, I think the development community wants to move on badly. That was actually the market Nintendo should've targetted. People are starving for a generational leap, not yet another 360/PS3 with a low-res screen taped to a Pro Controller.

There is no conspiracy against Nintendo either, they just keep making hardware that's hilariously out of step with what Western developers want. If they made a piece of hardware that was in tune with what Western developers want (which is basically a PC GPU in a box) it would probably be enthusiastically supported.

Especially if it's the only game in town for a year, a lot of publishers IMO would look at it and say "hey lets get a jump on the next-generation and be the next dominant publisher for the next 5-6 years by making the first next-gen blockbuster". Third parties don't actively dislike Nintendo, it's just that Nintendo keeps giving them reasons to look elsewhere.

What do Japanese third parties want?


This is where I think Nintendo wil gey alot of support from. Sega/Namco/Capcom/Square Enix gave GC/Wii a solid amount of exclusives and I think Wii U will be the same. As for western devs Ubisoft/Activision will likely support it with multiplats for thw next few years.

Id also like Nintendo to continue doing partnerships on games that havent sold very well. Games like Soul Calibur and Ninja Gaiden last installments didnt sell too well, Nintendo should publish thoae games and help revitalize them.


They're really not getting a lot of support from these devs though. The Japanese release lineup is worse than the Western one. The Japanese Wii U lineup is atrociously bad.

I think the problem is Japanese publishers have become so scared of the market that making a game for a tiny userbase in the Wii U versus the similar PS3/360 which have far bigger userbases (even in Japan it will take the Wii U years most likely to match the PS3 if it ever does) is a flat out no-way.

Unfortunately I think the Japanese third party industry has been reduced to about 4 franchises that have global relevance -- Final Fantasy, Street Fighter (back from the dead for now), Resident Evil, and Metal Gear, and even with these four, two of them on massive decline (Final Fantasy and Resident Evil). 

Things like Megaman, Castlevania, Contra, Silent Hill, Soul Calibur, Tekken, Ninja Gaiden, any non-Final Fantasy Squaresoft IP, is either in retirement, in niche status, or has been mismanaged into ruin.