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Also... you guys do know that when he says breakup and spin off the entertainment division he doesn't mean sony should sell it to Warner Brothers or something right?

They mean they should create a new company that is mostly owned by Sony and sell some shares for a quick influx, and so a different management team can focus on making Entertainment better, while the current team works on electronics.

So it's not so muddled.

The example they give that was sold... Sony Financial... is one of Sony's big bright spots.



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Kasz216 said:
Also... you guys do know that when he says breakup and spin off the entertainment division he doesn't mean sony should sell it to Warner Brothers or something right?

They mean they should create a new company that is mostly owned by Sony and sell some shares for a quick influx, and so a different management team can focus on making Entertainment better, while the current team works on electronics.

So it's not so muddled.

The example they give that was sold... Sony Financial... is one of Sony's big bright spots.


I know what it means , its nothing more than "we direct control of a part of your company that is private held", its private held for a reason!

they want Sony to put it up for public buy in, Sony is not doing that.

Dan already got his answer! its No



I AM BOLO

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ps:

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Kasz216 said:
 

You'd think that... but no.

Sony's stuck in that old Japanese fiefdom model.  As can be shown by the fact that sony pictures liscensed movies appear... everywhere when it comes to consoles..

Well i would say they are not completely, there is parts you can public buy into and other parts that are not Public. Why is that such a problem? if they wanted it to be Public they would have went public with that part of the company. The fact that Sony is putting the Axe to the parts that is bleeding profit right now is the entire point of a turn around. letting the fox into the hen house is not the answer, putting the giant rooster under the AXE ie: the TV section of the company is. not the Farmer's daughter or house. Investing is one thing you know what you are getting into when you do it, but  expecting them to just up and let the fox force a part of their company public is a whole other ballgame, and one which would not be with out a fight it seems by the quick response from the CEO.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

Train wreck said:
Akvod said:
Many firms are just absolutely dying to have content (Netflix, Amazon, etc), and this guy wants Sony to sell it off?

I know, right? they still own 25% of all music and movies and on a good year the top selling console manufacturer, if anything as content becomes more king, Sony is in the drivers seat

Console sales are not where the money is.  The money comes from software sales, which many titles have underperformed in the last couple of years.



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BuckStud said:
 

Console sales are not where the money is.  The money comes from software sales, which many titles have underperformed in the last couple of years.

And at this point Electronic's is not generating enough money for Sony also, but atleast Playstation is providing profit, even though its small, but still millions!

if anything Sony's heads are doing right by the company by selling off assets that if these do not help bring out those parts that are bleeding money that they can still sell off those profit bleeding parts for reduction of size of the company which is what The current leadership is doing anyway, with steady reduction on production and models and workforce reductions. While instead of reduction of private held core pillar assets to 3rd party's they are not wanting to put up their brand so as to make it that much more easy for a Hostile take over without a fight.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

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Train wreck said:
Akvod said:
Many firms are just absolutely dying to have content (Netflix, Amazon, etc), and this guy wants Sony to sell it off?

I know, right? they still own 25% of all music and movies and on a good year the top selling console manufacturer, if anything as content becomes more king, Sony is in the drivers seat

They don't own nowhere near 25% of all music and movies.  Time Warner is bigger and so is Disney, Universal, 20th Century Fox and Paramount.  So far this year Sony/Columbia only have 6.5% of the market share when it comes to box office totals.  Their best year was 2006 when they had 18.6% of the market share that's still nowhere near 25%.



joeorc said:
Kasz216 said:
 

You'd think that... but no.

Sony's stuck in that old Japanese fiefdom model.  As can be shown by the fact that sony pictures liscensed movies appear... everywhere when it comes to consoles..

Well i would say they are not completely, there is parts you can public buy into and other parts that are not Public. Why is that such a problem? if they wanted it to be Public they would have went public with that part of the company. The fact that Sony is putting the Axe to the parts that is bleeding profit right now is the entire point of a turn around. letting the fox into the hen house is not the answer, putting the giant rooster under the AXE ie: the TV section of the company is. not the Farmer's daughter or house. Investing is one thing you know what you are getting into when you do it, but  expecting them to just up and let the fox force a part of their company public is a whole other ballgame, and one which would not be with out a fight it seems by the quick response from the CEO.

The fifedom model of buisness is when each director treats each part of the company like their own little fiefdom.  Hence the name.  They treat their divisions like their own kingdom and mostly run them how they want... working AGAINST the other division heads rather than with then since they want to move upwords.

This is why Sony does such a shitty job leveraging it's content that should be working together.

 

It's why Sony movie games end up on 360, why non-sony artists end up doing the music for Sony Entertainment movies, why Sony music songs end up on the competitors systems and even competitors games right down to the kaorkee games.



Kasz216 said:
 

The fifedom model of buisness is when each director treats each part of the company like their own little fiefdom.  Hence the name.  They treat their divisions like their own kingdom and mostly run them how they want... working AGAINST the other division heads rather than with then since they want to move upwords.

This is why Sony does such a shitty job leveraging it's content that should be working together.

 

It's why Sony movie games end up on 360, why non-sony artists end up doing the music for Sony Entertainment movies, why Sony music songs end up on the competitors systems and even competitors games right down to the kaorkee games.

which it's their part of the company! if they want it to remain Private, than it does not matter! they do not have to take it public, as a matter of fact Sony just did this recently:

April 1, 2010*
*Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. separated a part of its business into a new company

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This is why Sony does such a shitty job leveraging it's content that should be working together."

which Sony is now changing that..what happens to that Spin off with direct ownership by a hedge fund if it even than does not perform well as they want?

you think that they would than be asking for parts again to be sold off? you bet they would, woulda couda shoulda, Sony's looking at this point to unload assets to bolster to fix bleeding parts of the company. IF that does not work out they would have to cut work force anyway, so why not sell the assets to another company that would want it. for the fact that Sony is not allowing "corporate Vultures" a way in may seem selfish but do not hate the player hate the game, if he wants it Dan is going to have to work hard to get it. And Sony's not sitting by letting a fox in the hen house that they do not want to sell share's into. its their private held asset. Dan is being told No. if he keeps this up Sony may take the poison pill and break up the dead weight and just keep the pillar's, which is one of the thing's Kaz is focused on.

 

Dan is striking now while he has the slim chance of doing anything, and while you can expect Dan to be aggressive, so will the people in charge of the private held stakes that Dan is trying to poach!

 




I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

Akvod said:
Many firms are just absolutely dying to have content (Netflix, Amazon, etc), and this guy wants Sony to sell it off?


You're comparing content retailers to a content producer/consumer electronics company. It's obvious why content retailers need content to sell, but what has music and movie production done for Sony's ability to sell TVs and music players?

The link between video game studios and video game consoles obviously needs no explanation, but what is Sony going to do, take their movies exclusive to Sony TVs? 



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Chris Hu said:
Train wreck said:
Akvod said:
Many firms are just absolutely dying to have content (Netflix, Amazon, etc), and this guy wants Sony to sell it off?

I know, right? they still own 25% of all music and movies and on a good year the top selling console manufacturer, if anything as content becomes more king, Sony is in the drivers seat

They don't own nowhere near 25% of all music and movies.  Time Warner is bigger and so is Disney, Universal, 20th Century Fox and Paramount.  So far this year Sony/Columbia only have 6.5% of the market share when it comes to box office totals.  Their best year was 2006 when they had 18.6% of the market share that's still nowhere near 25%.

I was talking more in terms of amount of studios/music publishers not revenue generated