Pokemon 27
Playstation 24
Superb day all round.
Personally I'm happy with gundam and cod!
Farsala said:
You act as if install base and the downfall of home consoles as well as competition has little to do with FF struggles.
Pokemon has had consistent high install bases with little competition, while homes consoles are not so successful in Japan anymore. We see the same thing with Dragon Quest selling well on home consoles back in the day, but moved to handhelds and still sold well due to install base. |
This ignores some details in my opinion. FF15 will launch during PS4s current "high" period and hardware lifetime sales won´t be too different compared to PS3s when FF13 launched. Console games can still be million sellers in Japan if the IP is/becomes popular enough, proven by a system with even a lower userbase, namely WiiU with Splatoon.
Anyway SQEX is a 3rd party, so platform choice and IP management is really their own responsibilty. Similar to how it was Gamefreaks responsibility and decision to stick mainline entries to handhelds until now to guarantee success. And it was Horiis decision to switch to DS with DQ9 and making DQ11 a multi-project handheld and console game. In my opinion they would have performed better if they just finished the PS3 version of FF15, with a current gen "remaster" on top.
| Boutros said: The first YSO predictor is on drugs confirmed. He expects 221,895 combined for World of Final Fantasy lol I mean I'd just be happy with 100k+. He also says 58,220 for Berserk Musou. At least that's way ahead of Arslan but a little below Hyrule Warriors. And he also expects SAO to be the best selling in the series at 151,130 for the PSV version alone. That all sounds very optimistic to me. |
Damn. YSO used to be so accurate, but they've had a really bad track record lately. Severely underestimating some games (looking at you MonHun Stories) and being too optimistic about others. I wonder whats up.
Viktor said:
This ignores some details in my opinion. FF15 will launch during PS4s current "high" period and hardware lifetime sales won´t be too different compared to PS3s when FF13 launched. Console games can still be million sellers in Japan if the IP is/becomes popular enough, proven by a system with even a lower userbase, namely WiiU with Splatoon.
Anyway SQEX is a 3rd party, so platform choice and IP management is really their own responsibilty. Similar to how it was Gamefreaks responsibility and decision to stick mainline entries to handhelds until now to guarantee success. And it was Horiis decision to switch to DS with DQ9 and making DQ11 a multi-project handheld and console game. In my opinion they would have performed better if they just finished the PS3 version of FF15, with a current gen "remaster" on top. |
That in turn ignores my point. Splatoon released on a console with lack of any competition for software sales, even Minecraft hadn't been released. Most of the top PS3 games were not released until after FFXIII was released, and not only that PS3 was starving games due to MS aggressive stance in Japan and the rest of the world at the time. MGS IV and FFXIII were huge benefactors to this stance, as they were two games left relatively untouched by MS (MGS exclusive, FFXIII exclusive for 1 year)
| Viktor said: The lack of regular FF charts comparisons is disturbing. Will it be updated today? Anyway in retrospect, as one of the gamers that have been around when Pokemon first launched and took part in many discussions, it´s really fascinating to see the difference to how a lot of vocal gamers viewed the success of these two big JRPG series, Final Fantasy and Pokemon, Pokemons success was more often than not belittled as beeing simply a fad, while FF was very often seen as some kind of untouchable, eternal thing that will keep its relevance for the long run. But here we are now 20years later with Pokemon still rocking the boat with over 1000 comg preorders, while FF beeing still far behind right now in comparison even more so than 20 years ago in Japan. |
If Square Enix only cared about Japan Final Fantasy wouldn't be a home console series anymore. But they don't only care about Japan and Final Fantasy XV could easily be the best selling entry in the west. The franchise is as relevant as ever in the global market. Japan simply didn't follow the rest of the world as far as home console popularity. That's neither Square Enix nor FInal Fantasy's fault. Pokémon has been lucky to be released on hardware that happened to adapt best to the current needs of japanese gamers which is gaming on-the-go.
Farsala said:
That in turn ignores my point. Splatoon released on a console with lack of any competition for software sales, even Minecraft hadn't been released. Most of the top PS3 games were not released until after FFXIII was released, and not only that PS3 was starving games due to MS aggressive stance in Japan and the rest of the world at the time. MGS IV and FFXIII were huge benefactors to this stance, as they were two games left relatively untouched by MS (MGS exclusive, FFXIII exclusive for 1 year) |
IP mismanagement is a far more convincing argument to me. I would even argue that overall PS3 had a better Japanese centric lineup at the same point in time, even considering the handful of games that were (time) exclusive on X360, some of them even launched just months prior to FF13 on PS3, like Tales of Vesperia, just to make clear that this X360 exclusive argument is quite weak.
More importantly, SquareEnix voiced intention was to build a JRPG audience by greenlighting more projects on the PS4, which is exactly the opposite of your idea. It would have been even worse if they didn´t launch these JRPGs to build this audience on PS4 beforehand. They even delayed FF15 to a later date than World of Final Fantasy, if they shared your concerns World of Final Fantasy should have been delayed as well. If we apply the same argument to Pokemon, we have seen Dragon Quest Monsters 3J, Shin Megami Tensei 4A, Monster Hunter Stories and most importantly Yokai Watch 3 and the third YW3 version this holiday season, this year alone.
@Boutros
There is nothing that indicates that western sales will pick up the slack caused by Japan, as of right now it looks like that also in the West Final Fantasy 15 could see further decline compared to Final Fantasy 13.
Viktor said:
IP mismanagement is a far more convincing argument to me. I would even argue that overall PS3 had a better Japanese centric lineup at the same point in time, even considering the handful of games that were (time) exclusive on X360, some of them even launched just months prior to FF13 on PS3, like Tales of Vesperia, just to make clear that this X360 exclusive argument is quite weak. More importantly, SquareEnix voiced intention was to build a JRPG audience by greenlighting more projects on the PS4, which is exactly the opposite of your idea. It would have been even worse if they didn´t launch these JRPGs to build this audience on PS4 beforehand. They even delayed FF15 to a later date than World of Final Fantasy, if they shared your concerns World of Final Fantasy should have been delayed as well. If we apply the same argument to Pokemon, we have seen Dragon Quest Monsters 3J, Shin Megami Tensei 4A, Monster Hunter Stories and most importantly Yokai Watch 3 and the third YW3 version this holiday season, this year alone.
@Boutros There is nothing that indicates that western sales will pick up the slack caused by Japan, as of right now it looks like that also in the West Final Fantasy 15 could see further decline compared to Final Fantasy 13. |
There is nothing that indicates that western sales for FFXV will be lower than Final Fantasy 13
(lol, I love how Boutros says FFXV could be the best selling entry in the west, then you say there is nothing that indicates that, and then you immediately say it looks like FFXV will decline for 13 in the west, even though there is absolutely nothing that indicates that. shows bias)
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bluedawgs said:
There is nothing that indicates that western sales for FFXV will be lower than Final Fantasy 13
(lol, I love how Boutros says FFXV could be the best selling entry in the west, then you say there is nothing that indicates that, and then you immediately say it looks like FFXV will decline for 13 in the west, even though there is absolutely nothing that indicates that. shows bias) |
It´s an educated prediction based on the general voiced reception of Final Fantasy in general and FF15 in particular, in the West and the lackluster sales performance of most games with clear Japanese aestetics in general on PS4 and Xboxone. The main character basically is Sasuke from Naruto. It also doesn´t help that FF related products haven´t performed well in the West after FF13 and that´s a long time ago.
But I love how a really likely prediction was worth to you calling out, while the argument that can be basically reduced to "Japan doesn´t count" with an imo unrealistic optimism for western sales gets a free pass.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=221200251&postcount=336
YSO predictions
01. [PSV] Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization < 120k (average 100k)
02. [PSV] World of Final Fantasy < 70k (average 60k)
03. [PS4] Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization < 65k (average 55k)
00. [PSV+PS4] World of Final Fantasy < 120k (average 100k)
00. [PSV+PS4] Berserk Warriors < 50k (average 40k)
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