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So now a third person shooter plenty of zombies,  a very cinematic style , developed by Naughty Dog and heavily marketed by Sony for months was niche? It had ALL to become a mainstream sucess. And 750k on the fw is not so impressive at all when we are talking of the best game of a console with an 80 million userbase.

Bloodborne is NOT comparable to Tlou and the amount of people with a PS4 is around 25% of ps3.



tokilamockingbrd said:
thephenomenon said:
tokilamockingbrd said:
thephenomenon said:
tokilamockingbrd said:

The Last of Us was niche when it launched. It just unniched the whole genre in one foul swoop. Are your numbers WW or NA? I am thinking 800k WW and around 400k in NA.

Niche game is games that mainstream don't care about The last of us is not niche.

My number are WW,500k to 600k is really good in my opinion for a new IP

to me niche is more about an approach to a genre than the genre itself. Before TLOU us you cant point to a game that was successful that you conclude ND was following in their footsteps. What is niche today may be mainstream tomorrow (JRPGS went through this 1995-1997). The mainstream would not have cared about TLOU had it not been so well revieved by the hardcore and the gaming media.

You can find a lot of successfull survival horror games like Resident evil and Silent hill and dead space etc the genre is a  more mainstream then action rpg and The last of us come from one of the best studios today.

And besides The last of us how many new IP from Sony sold more then 750k first week?


I dont know what it sold 1st week as I was not following sales much 2010-GEN 8 launch. But game like TLOU were not mainstream last gen. I think the very good sales of games like Dying Light are beneficiaries of the market TLOU opened. TLOU showed everyone that a Zombie game could be more than just survival horror. Whether it be a cinematic approach or a open world approach.

The last of us is the only new IP in PS3 that sold more then 750k so i think so how Bloodborne will so close to 750k





tokilamockingbrd said:
ktay95 said:
Bloodborne well on its way to 150k+ opening, not bad but far from great. It will need some serious legs to do as well as the other games. Both Dark Souls opened above 250k but Demon's Souls only opened at 40k =P


150k in Japan would be great. 500k LTD or so. Awsome. Deman and Dark Sould opened to 3-4 times the userbase.

 

(1st post on COMG)


Its very rare for a Playstation game to double its first week number let alone do more than 3x life time on the first week.

I wont mind it doing 500k LT but i doubt it will manage to do that if it opens to 150k..

I think it will open to 200k and do 350k LT



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thephenomenon said:

Niche game is games that mainstream don't care about The last of us is not niche.

My number are WW,500k to 600k is really good in my opinion for a new IP


The last of us was considered niche before launch.It only became "mainstream" once it make everybody that was predicting low sales eat crow.

That is what i expect from bloodborne.

Most people here are saying "but the genre is niche","but Dark souls didn't sell that well at launch"

They forget that sould fanbase is bigger now that it was back in 2011 and that they are really passionate(hardcore) group.The kind of group that buy games at launch.

If this game is well received by reviewers,i can see having legs too.



OttoniBastos said:
thephenomenon said:

Niche game is games that mainstream don't care about The last of us is not niche.

My number are WW,500k to 600k is really good in my opinion for a new IP


The last of us was considered niche before launch.It only became "mainstream" once it make everybody that was predicting low sales eat crow.

That is what i expect from bloodborne.

Most people here are saying "but the genre is niche","but Dark souls didn't sell that well at launch"

They forget that sould fanbase is bigger now that it was back in 2011 and that they are really passionate(hardcore) group.The kind of group that buy games at launch.

If this game is well received by reviewers,i can see having legs too.

So any game that sell a little is a niche game for you i don't agree with that,a game can target mainstream but fail to sell well.

Game like Bloodborne no matter how much you spend for advertizement won't selling as  much as mainstream games,how do you know the number of fan increased Dark souls 1 sold more then Dark souls 2 what i see is less fans not more.

Review don't affect sales as much as people thing



thephenomenon said:
OttoniBastos said:
thephenomenon said:

Niche game is games that mainstream don't care about The last of us is not niche.

My number are WW,500k to 600k is really good in my opinion for a new IP


The last of us was considered niche before launch.It only became "mainstream" once it make everybody that was predicting low sales eat crow.

That is what i expect from bloodborne.

Most people here are saying "but the genre is niche","but Dark souls didn't sell that well at launch"

They forget that sould fanbase is bigger now that it was back in 2011 and that they are really passionate(hardcore) group.The kind of group that buy games at launch.

If this game is well received by reviewers,i can see having legs too.

So any game that sell a little is a niche game for you i don't agree with that,a game can target mainstream but fail to sell well.

Game like Bloodborne no matter how much you spend for advertizement won't selling as  much as mainstream games,how do you know the number of fan increased Dark souls 1 sold more then Dark souls 2 what i see is less fans not more.

Review don't affect sales as much as people thing

Are you sure you read what i said?

I never said that every game that sells little is niche.But the opposite is true!

A niche game,by definition,will sell little.If not,it's not niche anymore(aka,it became mainstream).

TLOU was considered niche back in 2013(before lauch).

Just look at old threads.People thought:

"it's a new IP and it is story oriented,with drama and stuff! It will not sell that much..."

Then when ND announced that the game sold 7+ million copies on PS3 people were eating crow.

Reviews don't affect sales? tell that to The order's legs.



OttoniBastos said:
thephenomenon said:
OttoniBastos said:
thephenomenon said:

Niche game is games that mainstream don't care about The last of us is not niche.

My number are WW,500k to 600k is really good in my opinion for a new IP


The last of us was considered niche before launch.It only became "mainstream" once it make everybody that was predicting low sales eat crow.

That is what i expect from bloodborne.

Most people here are saying "but the genre is niche","but Dark souls didn't sell that well at launch"

They forget that sould fanbase is bigger now that it was back in 2011 and that they are really passionate(hardcore) group.The kind of group that buy games at launch.

If this game is well received by reviewers,i can see having legs too.

So any game that sell a little is a niche game for you i don't agree with that,a game can target mainstream but fail to sell well.

Game like Bloodborne no matter how much you spend for advertizement won't selling as  much as mainstream games,how do you know the number of fan increased Dark souls 1 sold more then Dark souls 2 what i see is less fans not more.

Review don't affect sales as much as people thing

Are you sure you read what i said?

I never said that every game that sells little is niche.But the opposite is true!

A niche game,by definition,will sell little.If not,it's not niche anymore(aka,it became mainstream).

TLOU was considered niche back in 2013(before lauch).

Just look at old threads.People thought:

"it's a new IP and it is story oriented,with drama and stuff! It will not sell that much..."

Then when ND announced that the game sold 7+ million copies on PS3 people were eating crow.

Reviews don't affect sales? tell that to The order's legs.

The last of us sold very well so it's mainstream it have nothing to do with people expectation and don't you think a mainstream can flop or sell less then what people expected.

Only the most hardcore gamers read review most of people buy a game after watching an ads in tv we only have 2 week of The order sales even biggest IP have big drop in second week they have at least 70% drop,In internet i see a very big number odf person saying Call of duty is a bad games yet it's the second biggest IP



thephenomenon said:
OttoniBastos said:
thephenomenon said:
OttoniBastos said:

 

The last of us sold very well so it's mainstream it have nothing to do with people expectation and don't you think a mainstream can flop or sell less then what people expected.

Only the most hardcore gamers read review most of people buy a game after watching an ads in tv we only have 2 week of The order sales even biggest IP have big drop in second week they have at least 70% drop,In internet i see a very big number odf person saying Call of duty is a bad games yet it's the second biggest IP


Again,i never said that! A mainstream game can flop if it is bad received,or have bad word of mouth,or is not advertised enough,etc...

That is not the point! The point is,people expect bloodborne to sell little because "souls games are niche" and PS4 has a smaller install base than PS3/360/PC.

What people are ignoring ,though, is that PS4 is outselling all this platforms software-wise even though the intall base is smaller.Plus Souls fanbase is pretty loyal and buy games front loaded.Just look at how much Bloodborne is selling at amazon USA.

I can bet that Bloodborne will make people eat crow just like TLOU did back in 2013.