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happydolphin on 10 May 2013
JayWood2010 said:

Big difference when EA has been very successful on the other two platforms and struggles on Nintendo's.  But hey, thanks for ignoring all of my comments and OP :)

LOL, you are hilarious. You're comparing two ESTABLISHED consoles with 75+ m units sold against a console that just came out with barely any units sold comparatively, and you expect things to be the same.

Good job.



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Jaywood2010 on 10 May 2013
happydolphin said:
JayWood2010 said:

Big difference when EA has been very successful on the other two platforms and struggles on Nintendo's.  But hey, thanks for ignoring all of my comments and OP :)

LOL, you are hilarious. You're comparing two ESTABLISHED consoles with 75+ m units sold against a console that just came out with barely any units sold comparatively, and you expect things to be the same.

Good job.

Actually I compared two 75m userbase consoles with a console that has a userbase of 100m XD Maybe you missed that lol

And yeah good job for missing that ;)




       

hinch on 10 May 2013
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
i think nintendo fans need to fucking deal with it or buy a ps3 or 360 if they want to play the games. Its getting boring this bitching about EA. Like EA is the only fucking reason WiiiU is selling like shit.

What I find funny, is that.. the people who constantly bitch and moan about EA are also the ones contributing to the dire third party situation for the Wii U.. by not buying their games.



Cobretti2 on 10 May 2013
RolStoppable said:
JayWood2010 said:
bananaking21 said:

The real reason why EA isnt supporting nintendo. though some people just cant accept that. to put thing things into perspective the Need for speed version on vita outsold all these combined. its nothing to do with hate, conspirasies or what ever. its purely business.

 

1 Madden NFL 13 WiiU 2012 Sports Electronic Arts 0.03 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.03
1 Need for Speed: Most Wanted - A Criterion Game WiiU 2013 Racing Electronic Arts 0.01 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.02
1 FIFA Soccer 13 WiiU 2012 Action Electronic Arts 0.03 0.03 0.00 0.01 0.07
1 Mass Effect 3 WiiU 2012 Role-Playing Electronic Arts 0.03 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.05

BAM  Look at that.  Yet I'll play bad guy.  But this is my entire point.

See, this is exactly what many Nintendo fans on these forums have been saying weeks before the Wii U launch. All the signs that EA set up these games for failure were there before release, so it was clear that EA's games would do terribly. Consequently, these poor sales would then be used by EA as justification to pull Wii U support and forum members around here would jump to EA's defense and say that it is a logical business decision to pull support.

But where have you guys been when the Mass Effect Trilogy was announced for the other systems or when it was announced that the sports games would be missing features? Do you guys believe that those were smart decisions by EA or do you think that those were hilariously bad decisions by EA, if they wanted their games to succeed? I mean, it's pretty obvious that a trilogy for $60 is a much more attractive offer than $60 for a single game.

The most disappointing thing is that you, JayWood2010, concede that EA's games weren't up to par, yet defend EA for it. You picked the wrong side. If the unbiased gamer is confronted with a choice between gamers or companies, then he doesn't have to think twice which side he belongs to.


I agree with you. Only thing I woudl pull out of there is NFW MW. That game is pretty damn good. Criterion Games did an excellent job.

But sadly cause EA fucked the rest of those games, people did not give ths one a chance. Not to mention when the gaem launched in AUS it was like twice the price compared to PS360. I did however buy it as the extra Wii U features are great compared to my PS3 copy.



 

 

Cobretti2 on 10 May 2013
RolStoppable said:
JayWood2010 said:

I don't believe in conspiracy theories.  I also want to pouint out that NFS MW on the WiiU is the best version of the game.  Seems like they put effort into that ;)

This still only brings EA to 1 out of 4 in terms of development effort.
They are 0 out of 4 on marketing.
They are 0 out of 4 on pricing.

The thing I dislike most about such arguments is that Nintendo console owners are told to reward such efforts, if they wanted good third party support. But that isn't a solution either, because good sales for such efforts will only return more of these half-assed efforts, because third parties will take the sales as "since that's good enough, there's no reason to improve quality".

So you teliing me you were not stoked when RE onrails was bought int he hope CAPCOM would make a RE game on Wii only to get another onrails because that is what they thought they wanted?

Also I remember the arrogance of Dead Space Dev when they lwere ike we don't know why dead space such a cool franchise didnt sell on Wii. If was on one of those game video interviews. I was like OK...



 

 

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flagstaad on 10 May 2013
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
why is everyone blaming EA? it looks like nobody is supporting nintendo right now, not just EA.

WHAT!!!, support may not be great from some but is there...

SEGA announced that they will release 7 Wii U games this fiscal year

Ubisoft has Watchdog, AC 4, Splinter Cell and Rayman in the pipeline for this year

Warner has Batman Origins and just released Injustice

Capcom support is weak, but is there, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate recently and Resident Evil Revelations is comming in may

Square Enix support is also weak but Deus Ex Director´s Cut is comming

Activision is beign cautios but looks like their main games will also be on the system



Dodece on 10 May 2013
superchunk said:
Dodece said:
superchunk said:
EA deserves this heat. Its pathetic and they shouldn't be trying to get Nintendo to leave the business.

That's all there is to it.

Do you have actual proof of that, or is this just the story you want to believe?

This thread has a great OP... http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=159755

Here is a couple of my posts in a different thread that summerizes my evidence of EAs dick moves.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5325802

All of you defending EA in regards to WiiU and then quoting sales of gimped, late, zero marketed games needs to get a reality check.

EA came out ON NINTENDO'S STAGE and said they would provide " unparallelled support" with Battlefield and sports etc. Then as launch closes in WiiU gets...

Mass Effect 3 low-budget port with zero marketing and killed off by an equally priced, heavily marketed Mass Effect trilogy on PS360.

Madden 13 low-budget port of the MADDEN 12 game. A fucking year old game with a new year on it. NONE of the upgrades the other versions were getting and that specific differences were the only advertising the Wii U version received. On top of that, it was even a late release to the other Madden 13 games.

NFS game that Criterion... NOT EA... actually spent time on to make it a better game than the other versions, yet it was still a late release. (in itself means it will sell dramatically less, why did Ubi delay Rayman again?) While Criterion had good intentions, EA did not match that support and it also received zero marketing.

How the hell can you use those games as justification for no future support? They sold exactly to the level of effort EA put into them. EA basically released them only because they were so far along it made zero sense to stop and they also wanted this crap sells argument to support their already in place plan to black-list Nintendo.

Fact is, EA is being a pathetic and childish. I was already willing to miss out on BF4 (even though I would have bought it on PC due to how my PS3 experience played out) in my ban on EA. Now I'm going to be fucked on my most favorite IP in all media formats. I knew Disney wouldn't let the SW gaming brand die and good games would come out eventually, but fucking EA... ugh.

EA has a horrible track record with games and generally they just slowly die. BF is really the only IP that has remained decent and that is likely solely due to DICE. Sure DICE would likely make a great Battlefront game too.

Madden and Tiger Woods has the same restrictions as these SW games will supposedly have. However, EA obviously has loopholes otherwise the next games for 2014 wouldn't be skipping Wii U. And no, spending another $450-$500 on another console is not an option. That's stupidity.

My only ray of hope is that EAs next CEO doesn't come in with this idiotic anti-Nintendo stance and returns EA to a far more solvent picture with supporting all viable platforms, including actually marketing them.

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5327029

EA at two previous E3s (2011 and 2012) stated on stage that they were going all in with Wii U with unprecedented support. (Ubisoft said similar)

PS3 got a late ME2 port. It was heavily advertised. Sold well.
WiiU got a late ME3 port. It was never advertised. It had to compete with a METrilogy compilation on PS360 at the same price point that was actively advertised by EA.

Madden13 and FIFA13 on all other consoles launched on same date with same upgraded features for 2013.
Madden13 and FIFA13 on WiiU launched months later (this is biggest kicker for these types of games) with NONE of the newer 2013 features. In fact that lack of 2013 features is the only "advertising" Wii U variants received.

NFSMW on all other consoels same date with marketing.
NFSMW at least this one matched the content/features of the others. It was a late port. It received zero marketing. It sold accordingly.

Special note. All four of EAs games on WiiU were late ports with ZERO extra content. No other publisher did that with their late ports for WiiUs launch. They all provided free DLC or exclusive features.

EA in early 2013 has blatantly stated (this was even before NFSMW released) that WiiU will not be getting future support from them.

Now lets compare the other publishers/games you listed.

Ubisoft released:
ZombiU - exclusive title really utilizing gampad. Crazy marketing and even special bundle world-wide.
AC3 - nearly identical experience as the more mature consoles. heavily marketed as being on all the platforms, including WiiU.
Just Dance 4 - same game everywhere with same marketing support.
Marvel Avengers - same game everywhere with same marketing support.
Rabbids Land - exclusive with marketing.
yourshape - exclusive with marketing.
Sports connection - exclusive with marketing.

Ubisoft said they had hoped Wii U (the console) would have sold more, but the sales of the games were as expected based on the console's sell through. The only negative to come of this was the obvious timed-exclusive Rayman was delayed to match its Ps360 release. Yet, Wii U still has exclusive features and even a badass online portion for free out now.

Ubisoft 2013 support is strong with same next-gen titles and already same marketing.

How about BatmanAC?

Was a normal late port launch which actually included improvements of the older version (unlike any late ports from EA). Full DLC content along with a few new special features including solid marketing.

WB is obviously happy with WiiU overall as we got Injustice on same day. Sure its lacking DLC at first, but that is obviously tied to other timing issues as they probably were barely able to get the game itself caught up to speed with others. DLC will come later.

Then WB is still having same date and support for all its future games as well.

Activision.
COD is really the same as EAs madden/fifa and other yearly titles. BLOPS2 is great and guess what... there were a few other games already out from Activision as well. They have also stated that they will show plans for Ghosts for "next-gen consoles" at a later time. So anyone thinking that did not include WiiU when BLOPS2 already built that code base... you're delusional.

Additionally, other Activision games with future releases all have WiiU support as well.

 

So yes, many launch games, including Nintendo ones, did not sell millions yet. But every publisher except EA has strong future support or even publically stated they know its due to Wii U's slower hardware sell through. They are all betting on the next iterations of games to be profitable as Wii U hardware rebounds with the release of plentiful software during 2nd half of year.

Anyone who can look at the stark contrasts between EA and every other publisher and still say its not EA just being a rabid fanboy towards Nintendo... is clearly good at ignoring blatant facts. Now, this does not mean Nintendo didn't break a promise to EA to cause all this... but I think that by 2014 it will be solely EAs loss and they'll return as a result.

TL;DR

EA has consistently proven they are out to kill Nintendo with moves that are clearly not designed to be profitable.

So what you are saying is you don't have any actual evidence that what you say is actually the case. Just some half baked conspiracy theories. Which is what I suspected all along. I expected better, or nothing at all. How sad.



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Cobretti2 on 10 May 2013
JayWood2010 said:
Cobretti2 said:
JayWood2010 said:
RolStoppable said:
JayWood2010 said:
RolStoppable said:
"It's not EA's fault that they don't do well on Nintendo systems. Their games are clearly better on other systems."

Just how much have you been drinking today?

Let's compare madden (One of EA's biggest games) to Wii madden and you can tell me which one is better.

Right now WiiU doesn't even have a big install base and the games are too similar to the X360/PS3 for them to invest at the moment.  Once again games will sell better on X360/PS3 for online capabilities in this case.

The issue is that those two sentences which sum up your original post are contradicting each other.

Also, people are mostly upset about EA's recent bullshit PR.


PR bullshit or not, people need to realize that it is a business not a charity


so by your logic EA shouldn't support next gen at all till they seach have a significant user base. 

Big difference when EA has been very successful on the other two platforms and struggles on Nintendo's.  But hey, thanks for ignoring all of my comments and OP :)


I didn't ignore it I jsut don't agree with it.  The fact that EA were almost up Nintendos arse at E3 is the main reason why this has become such a debate. 



 

 

Cobretti2 on 10 May 2013
JayWood2010 said:
happydolphin said:
JayWood2010 said:

Big difference when EA has been very successful on the other two platforms and struggles on Nintendo's.  But hey, thanks for ignoring all of my comments and OP :)

LOL, you are hilarious. You're comparing two ESTABLISHED consoles with 75+ m units sold against a console that just came out with barely any units sold comparatively, and you expect things to be the same.

Good job.

Actually I compared two 75m userbase consoles with a console that has a userbase of 100m XD Maybe you missed that lol

And yeah good job for missing that ;)


Wrong again, you need to use the developer logic here.

HD TWINS = 150million Wii = 100million



 

 

oniyide on 10 May 2013
Cobretti2 said:
RolStoppable said:
JayWood2010 said:

I don't believe in conspiracy theories.  I also want to pouint out that NFS MW on the WiiU is the best version of the game.  Seems like they put effort into that ;)

This still only brings EA to 1 out of 4 in terms of development effort.
They are 0 out of 4 on marketing.
They are 0 out of 4 on pricing.

The thing I dislike most about such arguments is that Nintendo console owners are told to reward such efforts, if they wanted good third party support. But that isn't a solution either, because good sales for such efforts will only return more of these half-assed efforts, because third parties will take the sales as "since that's good enough, there's no reason to improve quality".

So you teliing me you were not stoked when RE onrails was bought int he hope CAPCOM would make a RE game on Wii only to get another onrails because that is what they thought they wanted?

Also I remember the arrogance of Dead Space Dev when they lwere ike we don't know why dead space such a cool franchise didnt sell on Wii. If was on one of those game video interviews. I was like OK...

as a fan of that genre i know i was stoked.