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the2real4mafol on 09 May 2013

good progress from state to state, shame legalisation of weed didn't do this. It could legalised in 2 states and thats it



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Lyrikalstylez on 09 May 2013

I find it alarming that its getting legalize even tho us citizens have a no say in this, but alas good for them
I just hope they keep it in doors, don't want my family seeing this in public...



the2real4mafol on 09 May 2013
Lyrikalstylez said:
I find it alarming that its getting legalize even tho us citizens have a no say in this, but alas good for them
I just hope they keep it in doors, don't want my family seeing this in public...

Nothing will change, i hope you realise that. I don't see what the problem is, no one is forcing straight people to turn gay or anything. They just want to be tolerated



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Lyrikalstylez on 09 May 2013
the2real4mafol said:
Lyrikalstylez said:
I find it alarming that its getting legalize even tho us citizens have a no say in this, but alas good for them
I just hope they keep it in doors, don't want my family seeing this in public...

Nothing will change, i hope you realise that. I don't see what the problem is, no one is forcing straight people to turn gay or anything. They just want to be tolerated


Well I tolerate it, I just don't want them slobbering on each other when I'm walking in public with my family



Kasz216 on 09 May 2013
Zappykins said:
Kasz216 said:
Zappykins said:
Kasz216 said:
This is moving along nice and all... but i can't help but feel it'll eventually hit a very annoying roadblock.

Federal action is needed.

Exactly, but every state that changes to the equal side helps the Supreme Court realize which way they have to go.  In just this year we have seen several countries (Including France) and several states move towards the equality side.  They could uphold the two previous courts ruling that Prop 8 is un- constitutional and it will nock out bans not only in California, but also, Alaska, Arizona, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada (which is already moving towards Marriage Equality - but will take a few years, Oregon and Washington State (which already has it.)  It's unlikely, but that would be a broad ruling.  More likely they will narrow their ruling towards California.

Also, they are about to rule on certain aspects of DOMA (Defense Discrimination of Marriage Act) which even Pres Clinton, who signed it, said it is un-constitutional, as it violates the Due Process Clause and other aspects of the US Constitution (I.e. states have to legally recognize the official documents of a another state.)  And a marriage license is an official document.

It’s similar to how a state will recognize a marriage license of another state, even if that marriage is not legal in the state (i.e. one spouse too young in that state, or many states do not allow first cousin’s to marry.)  So if you get married in one state you are still married when you go to another state, unless you are a same sex couple.

Anyway, nice to see so many positive responses, I hope to have another state to report soon.

 

From the sound of it.  The Prop 8 arguements seemed to lean towards "Let's not rule at all."

Where they'll take a step back and say "oops we didn't have jurisdiction."

 

Doma case seemed pretty strong though.

 

Personally though i'd rather the supreme court judge based on the law...  which, agree or disagree with their opinions... they usually do get it right legally. 

Well, if you are right, and they do not rule, then Prop 8 is dead and illegal.  And happy same sex couples will start getting married in California again.  It's a rather nice ending. There are some 30,000 kids of same sex households in California who would like to have married parents.

That's the thing about the law.  Different people interpret it different.  And yes, they get it right sometimes, but sometimes they get it wrong, and when it's wrong, it can really do a whole bunch of damage.  I can't see how any sane person would thinking taking rights away from a protected minority would ever be allowed in the USA - which is exactly what Prop 8 does.

Personally, I think Scalia, with what he has already stated, must recuses himself.  But I don't think he has the integrity, fortitude or guts to do that.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but I thought the default was that prop 8 was dead and gay californian couples are already getting married due to the last court ruling saying it's not consitutional.



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Cobretti2 on 09 May 2013

equality is a myth. the word is so overused it is becoming a joke.

Every group of people has positive and negative things that make them not equal.

saying that, good news.



 

 

TruckOSaurus on 09 May 2013
Lyrikalstylez said:
the2real4mafol said:
Lyrikalstylez said:
I find it alarming that its getting legalize even tho us citizens have a no say in this, but alas good for them
I just hope they keep it in doors, don't want my family seeing this in public...

Nothing will change, i hope you realise that. I don't see what the problem is, no one is forcing straight people to turn gay or anything. They just want to be tolerated


Well I tolerate it, I just don't want them slobbering on each other when I'm walking in public with my family

That's just common decency. Straight or gay, two people "slobbering on each other" in public is not socially respectable behavior.



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the2real4mafol on 10 May 2013
Lyrikalstylez said:
the2real4mafol said:
Lyrikalstylez said:
I find it alarming that its getting legalize even tho us citizens have a no say in this, but alas good for them
I just hope they keep it in doors, don't want my family seeing this in public...

Nothing will change, i hope you realise that. I don't see what the problem is, no one is forcing straight people to turn gay or anything. They just want to be tolerated


Well I tolerate it, I just don't want them slobbering on each other when I'm walking in public with my family

I understand that, i wouldn't want a gay couple or a straight couple  doing that in public either. Love is a private matter



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Mr Khan on 10 May 2013

I like the one groom rockin' the kilt



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Zappykins on 11 May 2013
Kasz216 said:
Zappykins said:

Well, if you are right, and they do not rule, then Prop 8 is dead and illegal.  And happy same sex couples will start getting married in California again.  It's a rather nice ending. There are some 30,000 kids of same sex households in California who would like to have married parents.

That's the thing about the law.  Different people interpret it different.  And yes, they get it right sometimes, but sometimes they get it wrong, and when it's wrong, it can really do a whole bunch of damage.  I can't see how any sane person would thinking taking rights away from a protected minority would ever be allowed in the USA - which is exactly what Prop 8 does.

Personally, I think Scalia, with what he has already stated, must recuses himself.  But I don't think he has the integrity, fortitude or guts to do that.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but I thought the default was that prop 8 was dead and gay californian couples are already getting married due to the last court ruling saying it's not consitutional.

Yes, unfortunately, you are incorrect.

While, yes Prop 8 has been declared a violation of the US Constitution in two ruling of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals,  there is currently no way for a same sex couple to get a marriage license or legally married in California.  The proponents of Prop 8 have managed to tie everything up in court and while couples can have a ceremony, they get none of the Civil Rights that come with marriage.

They kids do not get married parents, mixed national couples do not get to be together, they do not get the tax and inheritance benefits offered to opposite sex couples.  Injustice is in full effect thanks to Prop 8.

So my friends that were together for 52+ years, died without being able to get married. 



 

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