jeeh google... they won 2 smaller patent cases this month and lost seven:

http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/04/april-was-disastrous-for-google-on.html

1. MEDIUM-LEVEL win for Samsung and Google's Motorola:

   Apple's slide-to-unlock patent invalidated in Germany (decision is appealable)

   Samsung had been cleared of infringement by the Mannheim Regional Court anyway, and Motorola had to comply with an injunction it was able to work around. Most patents aren't valid as granted (case in point, Apple took down a Samsung 3G SEP the following week). It's nice to defeat one iPhone patent, but Apple has so many of them... It's not the most strategic patent, but it is a signature iPhone feature. Google's Motorola contributed to this win as Samsung's co-plaintiff. (HTC had also contributed to this, very significantly based on what I heard, but dropped out after it settled with Apple.)

2. MEDIUM-LEVEL defeat for Google and Samsung:

   Corrected ITC ruling finds Android's text selection to infringe two more claims of an Apple patent

   The patent can be worked around, but there will probably be a noticeable degradation of product quality.

   Technically the decision was made on March 30 but the outcome became known only in April.

3. MINOR issue for Google's Motorola:

   Florida judge slows down multi-patent case that's more important to Google than to Apple

   All of the non-SEPs Motorola asserted against Apple in U.S. federal court are at issue in this litigation. Apple doesn't appear to be scared of this case, but on the bottom line any delay -- a few months in this case -- is beneficial to Apple while Google desperately needs some leverage in order to stop Apple's patent assertions against Android.

4. MAJOR defeat for Samsung and Google:

   Apple defeats Samsung in California claim construction battle on all patents but one SEP

   Apple is now reasonably close to certain infringement findings involving Android and affecting the ecosystem beyond Samsung. Also, Samsung is unlikely to have leverage with its non-SEPs-in-suit, which isn't Google's fault but means Samsung can't solve the problem through its counterclaims.

5. MAJOR defeat for Google:

   Foxconn parent Hon Hai signs with Microsoft: 20th royalty-bearing Android patent license deal

   This company manufactures more than 40 percent of the world's consumer electronics. It was the 20th Android patent license deal in total (the 19th that Microsoft announced, plus Apple did a deal with HTC), further exposing the absurdity of Google's claim of Android being "free".

6. MAJOR defeat for Google's Motorola:

   Setback for Google: German court finds Microsoft licensed to Motorola's push notification patent

   The Mannheim Regional Court denied Google's Motorola injunctive relief over the only non-SEP it was hoping to enforce against Microsoft in Germany, a push notification patent it's enforcing against Apple as I'll mention further below. An injunction is what Google really wanted (it would have caused a certain degree of inconvenience to Microsoft's German email users), but it owes Microsoft a license under an ActiveSync license agreement. The patnet will expire before an appeals court will rule on Google's request for an injunction. Google could theoretically seek damages for past infringement (for the period before Motorola was acquired by Google), but that part of the case has been stayed because of doubts that this patent is valid at all. Google will most likely get nothing out of this patent assertion.

7. MAJOR defeat for Google (the biggest one to date):

   Court-determined FRAND rate for Motorola's standard-essential patents is a blow to Google

   The decision was made on April 19 and published on April 25. Motorola's initial royalty demand from Microsoft was $4 billion, annually, which means Microsoft would have had to pay the price of the whole Motorola Mobility deal ($12.5 billion) in the form of royalties for three years of allegedly using Motorola's patents in its implementations of the H.264 (video codec) and IEEE 802.11 (WiFi) standards. The court, however, determined that Google will only get a few cents per product (on some products even less than a cent), resulting in an annual FRAND royalty of approximately $1.8 million. And these patents will expire within a limited number of years, so Google won't even recover its litigation expenses at that rate. There's unanimous consensus in the media that Microsoft won and Google lost.

8. MEDIUM-LEVEL achievement for HTC and Google:

   German court dismisses (another) Nokia lawsuit against HTC targeting Google Play

   Google was an intervenor and its counsel made some good points complementing HTC's defenses, though I believe HTC, whose lead counsel against Nokia (Dr. Martin Chakraborty of Hogan Lovells) also has a great defensive track record on his own, would have won this case anyway. If Nokia had won, it would have been a major win for Nokia enabling it to force HTC and other Android device makers into a settlement, but there's an asymmetry here because Nokia only needs to prevail on a few of its 40 patent assertions against HTC. In fact, it brought the latest assertion against HTC a few days before this trial and decision. HTC and Google need to fend off dozens of Nokia patents, which is why the fact that the court gave short shrift to a single one of them is of limited importance and merely delays the inevitable, which is a license deal under which HTC pays Nokia (unless HTC gets a lot of leverage from its own assertions before Nokia does).

9. MAJOR defeat for Google:

   ZTE becomes 20th device maker to take Android patent license from Microsoft

   This is Microsoft's 20th deal, Apple has one with HTC, and Nokia and other third-party right holders will undoubtedly also collect royalties on Android. Also, this deal shows that a major Chinese device maker, unlike Google, respects Microsoft's intellectual property.

10. MAJOR defeat for Google's Motorola:

    German appeals court stays Google v. Apple case over (likely invalid) push notification patent

    Motorola had been enforcing an injunction against the email service of Apple's iCloud for more than a year. The appeals court's decision paves the way for an Apple motion to lift the injunction. This is the only injunction Google's Motorola ever got to enforce against any of Google's rivals for more than a day. It never enforced anything against Microsoft (it won a couple of H.264 SEP injunctions in Germany but was barred by a U.S. court from enforcing them). It enforced an SEP injunction against Apple in early 2012 but only for about a day before it was lifted. This here is the only one it ever got to enforce for a significant period of time, and it will go away shortly.

11. MAJOR defeat for Google's Motorola:

    Google loses appeal against Microsoft's German injunction over multi-part text message interface

    A German appeals court upheld a ruling (including an injunction) Microsoft won last year. Motorola's own sales in Germany are limited, but this decision is a major defeat for Android at large: it's yet another indication to other Android device makers (who have to take care of themselves, while Motorola is controlled by Google, which has a broader agenda) that they really need a patent license from Microsoft. (Most of them have one already.)

So let's count the different outcomes. There were two medium-level defensive wins to which Google contributed (items 1 and 8, slide-to-unlock and a Nokia patent); one minor (but not entirely insignificant) issue affecting Motorola's non-SEP assertions against Apple (item 3, Florida delay); one medium-level defensive defeat for Google (item 2, Android text selection infringes); and seven major defeats for Google falling in three categories:

• offensive failures (i.e., failures to get leverage in major disputes, which is what the Motorola deal was all about but hasn't delivered): item 7 (FRAND rate for Motorola's SEPs), items 6 and 10 (push notification patent assertion against Microsoft and Apple)

• defensive defeats (proving Android's wide-scale infringement of third-party patents): item 4 (claim construction in second Apple v. Samsung case) and item 11 (German appeals court affirms Microsoft's multi-part SMS injunction)

• loss of ecosystem confidence: item 5 (Microsoft license deal with Foxconn parent Hon Hai) and item 9 (Microsoft-ZTE deal)

By the way, March wasn't much better for Google with a preliminary ruling against Motorola's ITC complaint against the Xbox, Nokia's refusal to grant a license to its allegedly VP8-essential patents, Nokia's progress toward its first Android patent license deal, and a trial based on which Microsoft may very well win (in early June) a German injunction not only against Motorola but also its parent company, Google, with respect to Google Maps.

It's time Google gave up on litigation and focused on licensing based on a realistic assessment of what its own patents are worth and of how massive Android's infringement issues are.

http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/04/april-was-disastrous-for-google-on.html
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I think WP is doing fine cause at this rate Android is a messed up piece of software costing the vendors massive amount of money to pay at other patent holders like Apple, MS and others

whut?

Ppppppfffffttttttt.....lol

I hope you're joking!

Meh, which is why they do waaaayyyyy more socially responsible services (even ones that are actually business ventures than everybody else)

Case in point:

-the driverless car venture will save lives

-the Google Fiber project will increase infrastructure to no cost to government, providing greater tax revenue. 

-loads of free Chromebooks and training sent to schools

-and it goes on from there

what did I say that was incorrect or displays poor reasoning?  All a company needs to do in order to defend against the patent trolls is buy more patents.  Simple. 

You also realise that MSFT hasn't been growing as fast as google, right?    when some of the people here were gloating over the latest earnings release they didnt realise that a large part of the year over year increase in revenue was *unearned* revenue, meaning that if that portion is cut out, then their revenue growth would be cut in half.

That does look bad to someone giving it a quick glance.

However, if people take time to see the full picture they will see that nokias R&D in 2010 was 10.8 billion dollars. Nokias R&D in 2012 was 2.5 billion. Sure they sold more smartphoes, but it cost them a lot more to develop and support Symbian than it does to use Microsofts OS and pay a small licensing fee.

8.3 billion dollars that they saved by not developing and supporting an operating system in house buys a shitload of Windows Phone licenses and has boatloads of money left over. No one knows the exact numbers, but I am certain that a 10 dollar license for WP is cheaper than developping an in house smartphone OS.

That plus Lumia sales are on the up like you said...

Its almost a waste having insightful conversation like we are having here in a stupid thread like this...

The Lumia has been kept afloat by MSFT, do you realise how much marketing MSFT has paid for?? The WinPho platform isn't going to do as well when MSFT gets tired of footing the bill for large marketing campaigns.

And somebody called Google a marketing company a few minutes ago? Pot calling kettle black.

Google will have to help out the other OEMs if they have to, but whether they help out with marketing or whatever is irrelevant.  The point is to show who's the dominant player. 

I'd say that it's an even draw, as they are about the same size with respect to market cap, and google will be able to make a confederacy with the other OEMs if they think that Samsung is getting too big for their britches and I think that you should have the foresight to realise that.

To reduce the dominance of samsung, and give each other a chance in the marketplace, and if samsung is about to get so big as be comparable to where apple was a few years ago, then I would think that google would have a good chance of doing that.

So all in all, if all parties are all rational actors, they would probably decide to stay with android or not make waves if at all possible, and I cant see google doing anything like that unless samsung started getting a significant number of phones onto its own platform, anyway.