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walsufnir on 25 April 2013
LiquorandGunFun said:
walsufnir said:
LiquorandGunFun said:
i just went back to 7 after upgrading my pc. this does not excite me in the slightest. yes i know its just the kernal, but still. win 8 left a bad taste.

You don't like the GUI, ok. But it has nothing to do with the kernel.

I know, i still have doubts about it anyways. and with M$ trying to be like apple, we will see. You dont think that between thier phones, tablets and computers that the next xbox would be different? I hope so.

I think they will use a modified win8-kernel and the WinRT-framework which is also used for Windows 8 and Windows 8 RT. There is nothing to doubt to me - the gui has to prove itself, yes, but the system itself will be sleak and optimized as hell and still deliver compatibility due to WinRT (my guess).



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Adinnieken on 25 April 2013
walsufnir said:

I think they will use a modified win8-kernel and the WinRT-framework which is also used for Windows 8 and Windows 8 RT. There is nothing to doubt to me - the gui has to prove itself, yes, but the system itself will be sleak and optimized as hell and still deliver compatibility due to WinRT (my guess).

I'm fairly certain it'll be essentially Windows 8 RT.  The difference between Windows 8 RT and Windows 8 isn't the fact that one runs on ARM processors and the other doesn't, Windows 8 RT could run on any processor.  The difference is that Windows 8 RT uses encrypted software, even the OS is encrypted.  Essentially this means that applications are authorized to the device.  So if the application isn't approved, it won't run.  Doesn't matter if it's a desktop or Metro app.

Microsoft will be fully integrating this feature of Windows 8 RT into Windows 8.



Chark on 25 April 2013

We all kind of knew this was going to happen. The Xbox will be a windows 8 device. That opens up a lot of connectivity possibilities and such, but damn do I hate the Metro UI. If it isn't going RT, then I wonder how much different the Xbox W8 will be.



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walsufnir on 25 April 2013
Chark said:
We all kind of knew this was going to happen. The Xbox will be a windows 8 device. That opens up a lot of connectivity possibilities and such, but damn do I hate the Metro UI. If it isn't going RT, then I wonder how much different the Xbox W8 will be.


Again, Metro is just a gui, just like the usual windows interface. They can develop whatever they want to use the system. But I also think it will be some kind of Metro, just like it is now, and I'd be fine with that.



Pemalite on 25 April 2013
walsufnir said:


Again, Metro is just a gui, just like the usual windows interface. They can develop whatever they want to use the system. But I also think it will be some kind of Metro, just like it is now, and I'd be fine with that.


I honestly don't think it matters what the interface will look like, I mean you don't exactly do any actual work on a console, you just use it to fire up a game or stream some video.




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BaldrSkies on 25 April 2013

Xbox doesn't need a Start button anyway!



walsufnir on 26 April 2013
Pemalite said:
walsufnir said:


Again, Metro is just a gui, just like the usual windows interface. They can develop whatever they want to use the system. But I also think it will be some kind of Metro, just like it is now, and I'd be fine with that.


I honestly don't think it matters what the interface will look like, I mean you don't exactly do any actual work on a console, you just use it to fire up a game or stream some video.

As I said before, I'd be happy if they build an interface just like the current one.



Adinnieken on 26 April 2013
walsufnir said:
Chark said:
We all kind of knew this was going to happen. The Xbox will be a windows 8 device. That opens up a lot of connectivity possibilities and such, but damn do I hate the Metro UI. If it isn't going RT, then I wonder how much different the Xbox W8 will be.


Again, Metro is just a gui, just like the usual windows interface. They can develop whatever they want to use the system. But I also think it will be some kind of Metro, just like it is now, and I'd be fine with that.

Metro is a bit more complicated than that.  Metro is a UI, but it's also a mini OS.  A Metro app runs in Metro, not Explorer (the Desktop UI).  My guess is if they wanted to, they could cut Explorer entirely from the OS, and just run Metro.  Currently you'd lose a considerable amount of functionality, but the basic premise is true. 



walsufnir on 26 April 2013
Adinnieken said:
walsufnir said:
Chark said:
We all kind of knew this was going to happen. The Xbox will be a windows 8 device. That opens up a lot of connectivity possibilities and such, but damn do I hate the Metro UI. If it isn't going RT, then I wonder how much different the Xbox W8 will be.


Again, Metro is just a gui, just like the usual windows interface. They can develop whatever they want to use the system. But I also think it will be some kind of Metro, just like it is now, and I'd be fine with that.

Metro is a bit more complicated than that.  Metro is a UI, but it's also a mini OS.  A Metro app runs in Metro, not Explorer (the Desktop UI).  My guess is if they wanted to, they could cut Explorer entirely from the OS, and just run Metro.  Currently you'd lose a considerable amount of functionality, but the basic premise is true. 

Ehm, no. Common Windows apps run on Win32 API, Metro-Apps on WinRT. This is close to os but not really the os. It's another abstraction layer.
Edit: But as I read your comment once again, I think you somehow meant the same thing I did, didn't you? ;)



Adinnieken on 26 April 2013
walsufnir said:
Adinnieken said:

Metro is a bit more complicated than that.  Metro is a UI, but it's also a mini OS.  A Metro app runs in Metro, not Explorer (the Desktop UI).  My guess is if they wanted to, they could cut Explorer entirely from the OS, and just run Metro.  Currently you'd lose a considerable amount of functionality, but the basic premise is true. 

Ehm, no. Common Windows apps run on Win32 API, Metro-Apps on WinRT. This is close to os but not really the os. It's another abstraction layer.
Edit: But as I read your comment once again, I think you somehow meant the same thing I did, didn't you? ;)

In part.  Metro (WinRT (x32/x64) has it's own set of APIs/hooks to the kernel.   Explorer does too.  Also, Explorer apps include both x64 and x32 APIs, not just x32 APIs. 

My larger point was that Metro functioned essentially as an OS within an OS.  It isn't just an interface, the applications running within Metro are not running within Explorer.exe.