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theprof00 said:
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theprof00 said:

But it does. It does because it helps us find out who did the crime. Without checks and security, we would never find the culprits, which would lead to conversations like "just get a gun from X, and do it, nobody will ever find out".

I think you're caught up in either semantics, or imagination land. We don't expect people to not die by guns. We expect to catch people when they do bad things, and that's what laws help to do.


When someone buys a gun from someone other than mem who has been background checked, where is that paper trail?

 

You think a person looking to commit a heinous crime, or someone in a large scale gang buys his guns from Joe Shmoe down the block?

LOL there are numerous trails. Manufacturers build in defects in designs to tell where guns came from. Serial numbers. Specific types of bullets, etc. All this info can help lead to the distributor.

 

MOST MURDERS HAPPEN BY REGULAR EVERYDAY CITIZENS. Not gang violence. Stop pointing fingers. And yes, those people DO get their guns from Joe Shmoe.

People die bro, get used to it.

Take guns away and that altercation that resulted in a gunshot will be replaced with a stab. How far will you take this fight before acknowledging that there are more important things to focus on?

Please, it's obvious to me you've never lived in a poor inner city area with that bullshit "people die bro get used to it". Sadly, I already know that. I've seen people shot, stabbed, killed, dozens of times over. I've seen people beaten to death with fists. I KNOW it's a fact of life, but it doesn't appear you do...or at least you don't really understand it.

And HuuuuuHHHHH at your conclusion. Wow, I never said that. There are obviously more important things to worry about. But don't come in here to argue if you're just gunna say "it just doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things anyway".

I've been jumped. In situations where I was shown a gun, I gave up everything I had. A knife, I ran. Kind of a big difference.

... I work in a poor inner city area now... and that's why I know gun control would be a VERY bad thing.

In such areas half the time the police don't come until an hour or two after you call them. (I know... i've had to.)

Essenetially if you don't own a weapon and someone wants to attack, rape or kill you... there is a good chance you are fucked.  (Thankfully it's only involved customers not myself.)

and... by the time the police get there.  You are lucky if you don't end up as the one shot if you look a specific way. 


Most everyone I know in that neighberhood owns a gun or some other type of weapon... and they don't want the police in there house... because they feel like they can't trust them.

 

They buy them second hand off each other all the time too from what i could tell... despite nevada being a REALLY easy place to get a gun first hand.

 



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chapset said:
A good guy with a bomb could have been able to stop the tragedy in boston


There isn't much really that would have prevented the tragedy that occured in Boston.

 

Guns are more about at-home protection.



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chapset said:
A good guy with a bomb could have been able to stop the tragedy in boston


That has got to be one of the most ridiculous counter arguments I have ever witnessed. I'm going to print this off to show my coworkers because I don't think they'll believe that anyone would say something like that.



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chapset said:
A good guy with a bomb could have been able to stop the tragedy in boston


Are you actually just trying to troll the thread at this point?  I mean... we're prety lenient with political threads.... but I mean... seriously?

If you can't argue intellegently... it's just time for you to step away.



kain_kusanagi said:
chapset said:
A good guy with a bomb could have been able to stop the tragedy in boston


That has got to be one of the most ridiculous counter arguments I have ever witnessed. I'm going to print this off to show my coworkers because I don't think they'll believe that anyone would say something like that.

good for you



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Woah, when did Kasz become a mod? I've been away too long.

on topic: I guess the main reason people are against it from what I'm reading is that it won't change anything, and it won't stop criminals. Therefore, we should not try to put more backgrounds checks, because doing so would be uh... burdensome on current owners?

Just making sure I have the argument against universal background checks correct.



Tigerlure said:
Woah, when did Kasz become a mod? I've been away too long.

on topic: I guess the main reason people are against it from what I'm reading is that it won't change anything, and it won't stop criminals. Therefore, we should not try to put more backgrounds checks, because doing so would be uh... burdensome on current owners?

Just making sure I have the argument against universal background checks correct.


I think its slightly more than that. the cost of the background checks was excessive (more than the cost of the guns). they also didn't gurantee that the  information would be destroyed and not used to make a gun regristy list, or for other reasons besides guns (i believe even the ACLU mentioned this). I think most people support universal background checks, as long as they are done in an affordable way, and as long as they dont make a gun regristry list, or use the background checks for other reasons.



theprof00 said:
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JoeTheBro said:
Good. To answer your question it's really about second hand sales. If your friend wants to sell you a gun, you should just be able to sell it without being forced to pay for a background check.


This guy gets it.

should you be allowed to resell your prescription oxycodone to whoever as well?

The governement has no right to regulate my property. Guns are no more dangerous than any other tools.

No law can stop criminals from committing crimes. Oxycodone and all "controlled" substances are sold on the black market regardless of the many laws against it. Bombs are illegal and that didn't stop the Boston bombing.

I shouldn't need a FFL to sell my property toa friend or give it as a gift.

 

My only problem is I don't understand this mindset. We should just remove all laws?? It would be utter chaos in the streets.

 



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The only thing that keeps people from doing crimes is doing time when they get caught. We remove the laws and everyone will do things they wouldn't have even thought of doing before.

Think about the old west (if you are not American use google).  There were very few laws.  Ppl got by in life by being strong and smart.  Point being if everyone is a well armed well trained person, you can then remove laws and everyone will leave each other alone because they don't wanna die.  Your argument is theory.  Mine is fact proven by American history.  Bad stuff will always happen but fear and loss of liberty is unnessassry.