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DanneSandin on 16 April 2013
trollmaster85 said:
DanneSandin said:

Kinect has sold roughly 20m units, which is roughly the instal base of GC, and looking at the numbers of Journey and WW it becomes clear that Zelda sold better with roughly the same instal base.

You are wrong on so much levels.
Different audience: Kinect - casual gamers and not interested in Fable franchise, Gamecube - nintendo fans and they want to buy new Zelda.

DanneSandin said:

You could also say that Kinect is an add-on, and so is motion+, but SS still sold a whole lot better.

1) Different add on cost.
2) Different appeal (Zelda - basically the same game, Fable - rail shooter spin off)

DanneSandin said:

But then again, Journey is a spin off, so let's compare it with Link's Crossbow training... Oh...? Zelda still sold more. And yeah, you're right; it was bundled. But so was Fable III, right? Does that mean we should detract numbers from it? Because, from what I can gather, we'd have to detract 1-1.5m units from F3 then, putting it roughly in the same league as SS (which needed an add-on, remember?)

1) Different cost.
2) Link's Crossbow training was bundled not to are console, but peripheral for casual and you cannot choose - with or withiout link game (Xbox 360 case). Selling to the same day btw.

DanneSandin said:

Zelda has A LOT of ups and downs, while Fable is a bit more consistent, it's also been bundled and fills a niche that is lacking on the X360.

You are mean Zelda doesn't fill the niche of Zelda/adventure game on Nintendo consoles?

Well, there's a difference in being a Nintendo fan, and a Zelda fan, isn't it? So maybe the Zelda fan base is somewhere around 3m, and every game sold above that is either Nintendo fans, or gamers in general.

Then let me ask you, since you're saying that F:J has a different appeal to it (since it's a rail shooter spin off); doesn't SS have a different appeal as well? You know, using motion controls and all? I've heard a lot of people saying they were turned off by that whole thing, and being a fan doesn't mean you'll buy everything - just look at F:J; that didn't even sell to the fan base either. SS is NOT basically the same games since it plays VERY differently than any other Zelda game, no?

Do you really think it was mostly casuals that bought the Wii Zapper? As far as I know casuals isn't all that in to shooters...

I'm saying that Zelda isn't the only fantasy-adventure game on Wii, whilst that particular selection is quite limited on X360 - or am I wrong?



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S.T.A.G.E. on 16 April 2013
DanneSandin said:
ethomaz said:

Mr Khan said:

Zelda has always, always, been a tier higher than Metroid. Metroid taps out at 3 million, which is generally around where Zelda bottoms.

My point is that Zelda is not a game for everyone... it is a niche game for fans... that coming from a guy that thinks the OoT one of the best games ever created.

Well, then wouldn't Uncharted and GoW be niche games as well?


 Fable doesnt know what it is, thats why the direction for the franchise has always sucked. Fable has no character. Uncharted and Zelda have character and charm, not only doing the job of doing what they do properly apart from one another but also setting standards. Fable has set no standard, but rather has taught developers what not to do. 



trollmaster85 on 16 April 2013
DanneSandin said:

Well, there's a difference in being a Nintendo fan, and a Zelda fan, isn't it?

So, Nintendo fans don't care about Zelda - second Nintendo franchise after Mario?

DanneSandin said:

Then let me ask you, since you're saying that F:J has a different appeal to it (since it's a rail shooter spin off); doesn't SS have a different appeal as well? You know, using motion controls and all? I've heard a lot of people saying they were turned off by that whole thing, and being a fan doesn't mean you'll buy everything - just look at F:J; that didn't even sell to the fan base either. SS is NOT basically the same games since it plays VERY differently than any other Zelda game, no?

1) Even Twilight Princess used motion controls.

2) I've heard a lot of people saying they were turned off by that whole thing - like 5 people on this forum? And look at metacritic rating - 93. Yeah.

3) and being a fan doesn't mean you'll buy everything - you will by this game, or will wait another 5 years for next game. Yeah. Every fan do that thing.

4) it plays VERY differently than any other Zelda game, no? - this is just INSANE. Only part Nintendo changed - sword controls, and you swing sword with motion controls already in Z:TW. But all dungeon system, powerups and core gameplay - same to original NES game. Heck, even new Zelda will be more different, because Nintedo promises open world and online interactions - so it will flop for sure?

DanneSandin said:

Do you really think it was mostly casuals that bought the Wii Zapper? As far as I know casuals isn't all that in to shooters...

Indifferent. This is showcase game for peripheral - like Wii Sports or Kinect Adventures. Any comparisons with bundled console games - are INSANE.

DanneSandin said:

I'm saying that Zelda isn't the only fantasy-adventure game on Wii, whilst that particular selection is quite limited on X360 - or am I wrong?

List this games.



DanneSandin on 16 April 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
DanneSandin said:
ethomaz said:

Mr Khan said:

Zelda has always, always, been a tier higher than Metroid. Metroid taps out at 3 million, which is generally around where Zelda bottoms.

My point is that Zelda is not a game for everyone... it is a niche game for fans... that coming from a guy that thinks the OoT one of the best games ever created.

Well, then wouldn't Uncharted and GoW be niche games as well?


 Fable doesnt know what it is, thats why the direction for the franchise has always sucked. Fable has no character. Uncharted and Zelda have character and charm, not only doing the job of doing what they do properly apart from one another but also setting standards. Fable has set no standard, but rather has taught developers what not to do. 

I... I don't understand what that response has to do with my question? I mean, I agree with you; Fable doesn't really know what it is, or what it wans to be - but I don't actually think you gave an answer to my question...? If Zelda is niche, wouldn't UC and GoW be as well?



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HoloDust on 16 April 2013

Is this a trick question? LOL

Zelda, of course, though Fable is very enjoyable franchise too.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 16 April 2013
DanneSandin said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
DanneSandin said:
ethomaz said:

Mr Khan said:

Zelda has always, always, been a tier higher than Metroid. Metroid taps out at 3 million, which is generally around where Zelda bottoms.

My point is that Zelda is not a game for everyone... it is a niche game for fans... that coming from a guy that thinks the OoT one of the best games ever created.

Well, then wouldn't Uncharted and GoW be niche games as well?


 Fable doesnt know what it is, thats why the direction for the franchise has always sucked. Fable has no character. Uncharted and Zelda have character and charm, not only doing the job of doing what they do properly apart from one another but also setting standards. Fable has set no standard, but rather has taught developers what not to do. 

I... I don't understand what that response has to do with my question? I mean, I agree with you; Fable doesn't really know what it is, or what it wans to be - but I don't actually think you gave an answer to my question...? If Zelda is niche, wouldn't UC and GoW be as well?


Well it sells above 3 million so that proves it isnt niche. Uncharted and Zelda arent niche games. Fable 2 and 3 sold very well



DanneSandin on 16 April 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
DanneSandin said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
DanneSandin said:
ethomaz said:

Mr Khan said:

Zelda has always, always, been a tier higher than Metroid. Metroid taps out at 3 million, which is generally around where Zelda bottoms.

My point is that Zelda is not a game for everyone... it is a niche game for fans... that coming from a guy that thinks the OoT one of the best games ever created.

Well, then wouldn't Uncharted and GoW be niche games as well?


 Fable doesnt know what it is, thats why the direction for the franchise has always sucked. Fable has no character. Uncharted and Zelda have character and charm, not only doing the job of doing what they do properly apart from one another but also setting standards. Fable has set no standard, but rather has taught developers what not to do. 

I... I don't understand what that response has to do with my question? I mean, I agree with you; Fable doesn't really know what it is, or what it wans to be - but I don't actually think you gave an answer to my question...? If Zelda is niche, wouldn't UC and GoW be as well?


Well it sells above 3 million so that proves it isnt niche. Uncharted and Zelda arent niche games. Fable 2 and 3 sold very well

Well then, seems like we're both on the same page then =) I just thought ethomazs comment was pretty... weird



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DanneSandin on 16 April 2013
trollmaster85 said:
DanneSandin said:

Well, there's a difference in being a Nintendo fan, and a Zelda fan, isn't it?

So, Nintendo fans don't care about Zelda - second Nintendo franchise after Mario?

The biggest franchise after all of the different Mario games should be Super Smash, right? It's selling better anyways. So, with your reasoning every Sony fan should buy Uncharted AND God of War? Or Little Big Planet and Infamous? What you're saying here is that people that buys Bran Turismo would all want to buy GoW/UC/LBP, or that everyone that plays Halo is going to buy Fable/Forza/Gears. That is what you're saying, right? Or doesn't Sony fans care about GoW/UC/LBP and MS fans doesn't care about Fable/Forza/Gears because they're not buying them?

Different people has different tastes.

DanneSandin said:

Then let me ask you, since you're saying that F:J has a different appeal to it (since it's a rail shooter spin off); doesn't SS have a different appeal as well? You know, using motion controls and all? I've heard a lot of people saying they were turned off by that whole thing, and being a fan doesn't mean you'll buy everything - just look at F:J; that didn't even sell to the fan base either. SS is NOT basically the same games since it plays VERY differently than any other Zelda game, no?

1) Even Twilight Princess used motion controls.

Yes, but they were VERY different. This is a stupid comparison, really. Have you played any of those 2 Zelda games?

2) I've heard a lot of people saying they were turned off by that whole thing - like 5 people on this forum? And look at metacritic rating - 93. Yeah.

Great metacritic doesn't necessarily mean great sales. Just look at Metroid Prime...

3) and being a fan doesn't mean you'll buy everything - you will by this game, or will wait another 5 years for next game. Yeah. Every fan do that thing.

There are fans, and then there are die hard fans, and you also have ordinary gamers. I've already said that it seems like the Zelda fan base is around 3m... But doesn't this argument also apply to Fable? How much has Fable Journey sold? Less than 1m? If people really were fans of the franchise they'd buy Kinect just to play it, using your reasoning. Which means the Fable fan base is below 1m, making Zelda the bigger franchise.

4) it plays VERY differently than any other Zelda game, no? - this is just INSANE. Only part Nintendo changed - sword controls, and you swing sword with motion controls already in Z:TW. But all dungeon system, powerups and core gameplay - same to original NES game. Heck, even new Zelda will be more different, because Nintedo promises open world and online interactions - so it will flop for sure?

Oh man.... You just don't know what you're talking about. VERY evident here. No clue what so ever. SS plays nothing like the original game. I'm not even gonna argue this point with you since you don't know what you're on about.

DanneSandin said:

Do you really think it was mostly casuals that bought the Wii Zapper? As far as I know casuals isn't all that in to shooters...

Indifferent. This is showcase game for peripheral - like Wii Sports or Kinect Adventures. Any comparisons with bundled console games - are INSANE.

Well then, I guess we have to take away over 1m from F3 since that was bundled as well. So F3 sold less then 4m then, which is roughly as much as SS has sold... And you needed at peripheral to SS...

DanneSandin said:

I'm saying that Zelda isn't the only fantasy-adventure game on Wii, whilst that particular selection is quite limited on X360 - or am I wrong?

List this games.

I can't because there isn't any other game like it on X360...  Or did you want me to list fantasy adventure games on the Wii? What about Zelda TP? Now, having looked through some games I have to give you this one; there isn't much else for Wii in the action-adventure department...

And on a last note; I'm guessing that Fable is a bigger franchise then GoW:J and GoW:A now since those hasn't sold as well as Fable either; fact is Zelda SS had a much better opening month than those two games, and since Fable is a bigger franchise than Zelda because of the diminishing sales, I guess that must be true for GoW and Gears as well. Heck, it must be bigger than 2D Mario as well since NSMBU isn't selling well either!

Fable bigger than Mario confirmed!!!1!! :O



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trollmaster85 on 16 April 2013

DanneSandin said:

Yes, but they were VERY different. This is a stupid comparison, really. Have you played any of those 2 Zelda games?

List of differences?

DanneSandin said:

How much has Fable Journey sold? Less than 1m? If people really were fans of the franchise they'd buy Kinect just to play it, using your reasoning. Which means the Fable fan base is below 1m, making Zelda the bigger franchise.


It is so wrong, doesnt even funny anymore. Fable: Journey - dont major game in the series and in totally different genre, understand that.

DanneSandin said:

SS plays nothing like the original game. I'm not even gonna argue this point with you since you don't know what you're on about.

List of changes?

DanneSandin said:

I can't because there isn't any other game like it on X360...  Or did you want me to list fantasy adventure games on the Wii? What about Zelda TP? Now, having looked through some games I have to give you this one; there isn't much else for Wii in the action-adventure department...

Again, no list, just bold statements.

DanneSandin said:

I'm saying that Zelda isn't the only fantasy-adventure game on Wii

Or did you want me to list fantasy adventure games on the Wii? What about Zelda TP?

Lold.



DieAppleDie on 16 April 2013

Zelda is a franchise that has proven itself durable and successful for 25 years
Come to me in 15 years and we ll talk...