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Forums - Microsoft - UPDATE! vgleaks: Microsoft Xbox Roadmap (2013) - possible bc, online not required, used games allowed

Jaywood2010 on 10 April 2013
J_Allard said:
For all the good the no online requirement and used games rumors do, this whole stackable console megazord type BC stuff just seems stupid. Reeks of old Sega mistakes.

But, I guess if you can sell your 360 for a reasonable price, and this mini-360 is like $100 or less, it wouldn't be too bad in order to get BC. XBLA is a huge card in MS's favor. The ability to bring all your games over and still have all the previously released games available on the new console is a huge plus.

I wonder if they will still put other paid services behind the XBLG pay wall. I am not familiar with AppleTV or Roku and such. Do you have to pay them a fee AND pay for the apps you use on the devices?

On Roku you only make a 1 time payment for the device and then you pay for the apps on it seperately like Netflix, amazon Prime, and HBO Go.  I don't know anything about Apple TV.




       

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enditall727 on 10 April 2013
NiKKoM said:
enditall727 said:

I believe the always online virus will show its ugly, unwanted head again with the next batch of consoles

It's coming for sure and it's called Gaikai.. like it or not but it is the ultimate always online always connected DRM for gaming..


as long as we can still play our retail games without having to be online then im good.

 

Im pretty sure gakai wont force us to be online at all times to play our purchased retail games



PScollector on 10 April 2013

Its good 2 see some positive rumors for the Microsoft camp after all the doom and gloom threads of late. I hope these new rumors hold up.



 

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JoeTheBro on 10 April 2013
nightsurge said:
JoeTheBro said:
nightsurge said:
JoeTheBro said:
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walsufnir said:
Does anyone remember the 56-pages long leak from last year which also was quite dated? IIRC even in this document they were talking about two different versions of new xboxes - seems MS had this strategy long before the first rumors appeared. I think to MS everything works as they planned since a long time.

That was fake.

According to whom? I never heard about it being fake. And everything since then keeps adding more and more credibility to it.

Why do people keep saying this? Not a single thing in the document has come true.

Of course it hasn't, because it was an old 2010 document of potential plans that have been greatly revised since then!

Nothing in that document is going to come true exactly as it was described in that document, but many of the things it talked about will come true eventually in many updated forms.

I see you did not post any supporting evidence for your claim that the document was fake. Is that simply your personal belief or did you find proof online somewhere that people found the document to be a fake?

EDIT: I see you were too hasty in saying that nothing from that document has come true. Thanks for the info JayWood. I love that thread btw, can't believe I forgot about it, or maybe I didn't realize that was from the 56-page document.


It perfectly predicted 2011 and early 2012 since it was "leaked" in 2012. However since then it has incorrectly predicted everything. No 361, no haptic controller, no XTV, no new live tiers, and many things that look to be wrong for 2013. I don't have a source, just logic.

Most of what you just said is on the roadmap for 2013 and could easily still happen! And again, it was a document from 2010 and things change ALL the time in the gaming business. Yet even then, it seems to be holding up quite well for all these new rumors.

Must be nice to live in a world where you can state your opinion as fact.

Everything I said was listed as 2012, not 2013. I understand things change, but not like this. Before the leak everything listed is correct but after it everything is wrong. That doesn't make any sense! Do you have any evidence to support that it's real?



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kain_kusanagi on 10 April 2013
J_Allard said:
For all the good the no online requirement and used games rumors do, this whole stackable console megazord type BC stuff just seems stupid. Reeks of old Sega mistakes.

But, I guess if you can sell your 360 for a reasonable price, and this mini-360 is like $100 or less, it wouldn't be too bad in order to get BC. XBLA is a huge card in MS's favor. The ability to bring all your games over and still have all the previously released games available on the new console is a huge plus.

I wonder if they will still put other paid services behind the XBLG pay wall. I am not familiar with AppleTV or Roku and such. Do you have to pay them a fee AND pay for the apps you use on the devices?

If this rumor is true I don't think it's stupid I think it's genious. Backwards compatibility only matters to the few who trade in their old console for a new one but want to keep playing their old games. I love backwards compatability, but in reality it isn't that important to the big picture. So, by spliting the backwards compatability onto a secondary device they are letting consumers decide if they want it or not. But that's not whats genious about the XboxMini. It's a trojan horse of a video game console. Like a Roku box people will buy it to stream Netflix and Hulu and all the rest, but it also is a portal to Games on Demand and XBL Arcade games. Families who want a cheap streaming box will suddenly have a gaming machine and when their kids want the latest next gen games they will ask for the Nextbox because it will work with the XboxMini which will most certainly work with Surface. Gamers who just want to play the latest games and don't care about Multimedia will probably just buy a Nextbox for Halo 5. They have the option of holding onto their 360 for the old stuff or trading it in for a XboxMini which would be kind of like an upgrade.

If the rumors are to be believed.

This is not the 32X all over again. It's something entirely new.

I just want to know what the two machines will cost. Together they better not go over $450 or it will be a hard sell. If it's $299 for a Nextbox and $149 for an XboxMini I can see both doing well seperately and together. MS just needs to find the right price and people will be there.

Again, if the rumors turn out to be true.



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kain_kusanagi on 10 April 2013
Soriku said:

If MS manages a cheap BC add on and Sony doesn't...someone gon die.

Sony did patent this back in 2010:

Hmm, that reminds me of something:

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Sega Genesis                                   Power Base Converter               Sega Genesis able to play Sega Master System Games

Sega made one for the Sega Game Gear too:

 

It also reminds me of this:

Yep, thats an Atari 2600 adapter for the Colecovision called the Expansion Module No. 1.


LOL, Sony patents everything just like Apple. The Patent Office just signs off patents and figures courts can settle any disputes. The idea of an add on for backwards compatability or extended compatability is not unique or inventive and Sony should never have been given any patents for it.



Cyrus_ATX on 10 April 2013

Good news!!!

I wouldn't be surprised if this is a controlled leak. The timing and specifics seem too perfect. Not only did vgleaks post a rumor update but Edge, kotaku and some other websites did as well and at the same time no less. This was a calculated move from MS.



LiquorandGunFun on 10 April 2013

this is a positive story but i would like to see M$ say something. i still want a nextbox just not first and prob later than that if its online(if true),but all the other bells and whistles it offers for me, its like giving boots to a guy with no legs with what i have already. all i need is blueray and games.



 

starcraft on 10 April 2013
hasonap said:
NiKKoM said:
hasonap said:
A complete U-turn if these rumors are true but then again how can we belive in all those rumors if they keep changing drastically

It's easy how it works.. if there is a negative rumour for the next xbox we believe them if there is a positive one we don't.. you have been on this site long enough to know this..

Sure I get that but come on somewhere a line gets drawn on how much you can change on your console in a 2months period, a more believable option is that MS has had let's just say 4 different concepts as to how they wanted to execute the 720 and we are now seeing that after Sony put their cards on the table MS changed card(concept) and basically put a different card out.

Or MS hasn't made a single announcement, you made a series of assumptions, now feel a little silly about them and are trying to find bad news in something that can be perceived only as no news, or otherwise good news.





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starcraft on 10 April 2013
drkohler said:
NiKKoM said:
KHlover said:
 but I wonder how many people would buy a Durango and a BC box...

you should think the other way around.. I think the new360 will be placed as THE media box out there even outselling durango.. but when people want more they'll get a durango with it cause it works so nicely with the new360.. I even wouldn't be surprised if the new360 would get yearly revisions and a new game part every 6 to 8 years..

So let me get this straight:

If you are an XBox360 owner, you probably get royally srewed by Microsoft, once again? It is very suspicious that all that tv stuff suddenly seems to go into a dedicated "Small Xbox" (and it can be expected this miracle box comes with dedicated entertainment software) . So can the old XBox360 also work as "Small Box"? Or do XBox360 users HAVE to get the "Small Box" for the entertainment pack?

How do you get royally screwed by Microsoft?

I have an Xbox 360 Slim.  As such, I have no intention of purchasing a new Xbox 360, with or without a disc drive, anytime soon.

The 'old Xbox 360' has exactly the same functionality as the rumoured new one (assuming it meets rumoured specifications) with the exception of the ability to link with Durango.  But as it has a disc drive already, that is not a required piece of functionality.



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