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Mr Khan said:
They really just need to enact sensible gun control. Even if the nuts have to have their unnecessary assault weapons, no-one should protest universal background checks and the closing of the gun-show loophole.


the problem is people are reacting to quick, and just trying to cram these things through. even the ACLU says there may be unintedned issues with some of the ways the background checks may be handles/saved/mis used.

 

http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/04/exclusive-aclu-says-reids-gun-legislation-could-threaten-privacy-rights-civil-liberties/

 

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Calabrese — a privacy lobbyist — was first careful to note that the ACLU doesn’t strictly oppose universal background checks for gun purchases. “If you’re going to require a background check, we think it should be effective,” Calabrese explained.

“However, we also believe those checks have to be conducted in a way that protects privacy and civil liberties. So, in that regard, we think the current legislation, the current proposal on universal background checks raises two significant concerns,” he went on.

“The first is that it treats the records for private purchases very differently than purchases made through licensed sellers. Under existing law, most information regarding an approved purchase is destroyed within 24 hours when a licensed seller does a [National Instant Criminal Background Check System] check now,” Calabrese said, “and almost all of it is destroyed within 90 days.” "



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Mr Khan said:
They really just need to enact sensible gun control. Even if the nuts have to have their unnecessary assault weapons, no-one should protest universal background checks and the closing of the gun-show loophole.


Semi Automatic does not an assault weapon it make. Assault rifles are banned and you have to go through a lot of government red tape to get one today already.

But I agree about universal background checks and the gun-show loophole. Only something like less than 10% of Americans disagree with that.



kain_kusanagi said:

 

But I agree about universal background checks and the gun-show loophole. Only something like less than 10% of Americans disagree with that.

Probably because they don't understand what it is. Closing the "gun show loophole" would be saying that you, as a private person and not a business, don't have the right to sell your own property to another individual. It's also a pretty stupid thing to call that particular "loophole" because actual firearm dealers at gun shows still have to do background checks.

Thank god 3D printers will soon render this entire debate completely and utterly moot.



badgenome said:
kain_kusanagi said:

 

But I agree about universal background checks and the gun-show loophole. Only something like less than 10% of Americans disagree with that.

Probably because they don't understand what it is. Closing the "gun show loophole" would be saying that you, as a private person and not a business, don't have the right to sell your own property to another individual. It's also a pretty stupid thing to call that particular "loophole" because actual firearm dealers at gun shows still have to do background checks.

Thank god 3D printers will soon render this entire debate completely and utterly moot.

I still think the libertarians are putting far too much faith in 3D printing. The advent of the Xerox machine wasn't the death of fiat currency...



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Mr Khan said:

I still think the libertarians are putting far too much faith in 3D printing. The advent of the Xerox machine wasn't the death of fiat currency...

That's a pretty terrible analogy.



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badgenome said:
Mr Khan said:

I still think the libertarians are putting far too much faith in 3D printing. The advent of the Xerox machine wasn't the death of fiat currency...

That's a pretty terrible analogy.

Not really. Similar techniques could be implemented (although obviously a copier couldn't produce close enough money as easily as 3d printing can produce functioning firearms, or those horribly unnecessary super-size ammo clips) to block the system at the source, namely that copiers are often built with firmware to recognize and void bills, and so could be done with the firmware of 3D printers, to recognize and block gun components.


The clips less so, but i would expect common sense to prevail in that they have no use for anything other than mass murder or general mayhem.



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badgenome said:
kain_kusanagi said:

 

But I agree about universal background checks and the gun-show loophole. Only something like less than 10% of Americans disagree with that.

Probably because they don't understand what it is. Closing the "gun show loophole" would be saying that you, as a private person and not a business, don't have the right to sell your own property to another individual. It's also a pretty stupid thing to call that particular "loophole" because actual firearm dealers at gun shows still have to do background checks.

Thank god 3D printers will soon render this entire debate completely and utterly moot.

I only support gun show background checks, not a ban of personal sales. Gun shows can do the background checks for booths without an FFL. But I would never support any legislation that would limit our right to sell personal property.

If gun show background checks gets gun haters off our backs and let's me keep my semi auto guns and real magazines than I'll allow it.



kain_kusanagi said:

I only support gun show background checks, not a ban of personal sales. Gun shows can do the background checks for booths without an FFL. But I would never support any legislation that would limit our right to sell personal property.

But that's exactly what universal background checks would do. It's not about gun shows at all. "Closing the gun show loophole" is just shorthand for disallowing any private transfers of firearms.

I mean, it's kind of obvious, isn't it? Because if a piece of legislation strictly dealt with gun shows, all you'd have to do is step out to the parking lot and complete the transaction there.



badgenome said:
kain_kusanagi said:

I only support gun show background checks, not a ban of personal sales. Gun shows can do the background checks for booths without an FFL. But I would never support any legislation that would limit our right to sell personal property.

But that's exactly what universal background checks would do. It's not about gun shows at all. "Closing the gun show loophole" is just shorthand for disallowing any private transfers of firearms.

I mean, it's kind of obvious, isn't it? Because if a piece of legislation strictly dealt with gun shows, all you'd have to do is step out to the parking lot and complete the transaction there.

That's what I'm saying. I'd only support legislation that would be meaningless but make the gun haters think they won some big battle. Then we can continue to enjoy our property as the 2nd ammendment intended. I've never bought a gun at a gunshow without a background check and I've seen people step outside to make deals as it is. If the gun haters get their gun show background checks and we get to keep our guns and still make private sales/trades I do't see a problem with it.

As for universal background checks. Maybe I wasn't aware of what it means. I assumed it was just a term for a standard gun store background check for all guns. I don't see how any law that required private citizens to get an FFL just to buy or trade private property would ever get passed int he land of the free and the home of the brave.



kain_kusanagi said:

 I don't see how any law that required private citizens to get an FFL just to buy or trade private property would ever get passed int he land of the free and the home of the brave.

It wouldn't. It probably won't even get passed in the US, either.