wii is expanding the industry for completely new gamers just like ds. nintendo gave developers great oportunity to make something fresh and to take their games to a real next level. psp, x360 and ps3 are the ones that ruining the gaming industry giving nothing. they're just the same consoles like psx but with better graphics - they made a limit for developers and their creativity. if you want to develop games for x360 or ps3 you need to rob a bank or be a king of african kingdom with a bunch of virgins in your harem to afford costs of making not even a AA title, but anykind of game so this is nuts(actually this is madess, but if you don't want to dine in hell then you need something more than 300 guys in gay looking outfits).

Overall gaming industry has never been this healthy before.

The two things hurting the games industry you mentioned.

- Mass hardware issues with the XBox 360 (RRoD and DVD issues). IMO significantly hurting worry free entertainment value.
- People are tired of constantly having to check specs and upgrade their PCs to play latest games like Crysis and Assassin's Creed. Luckily for such people there are console which they can depend on to run well enough any games released for them for many years to come.

waron said: wii is expanding the industry for completely new gamers just like ds. nintendo gave developers great oportunity to make something fresh and to take their games to a real next level. psp, x360 and ps3 are the ones that ruining the gaming industry giving nothing. they're just the same consoles like psx but with better graphics - they made a limit for developers and their creativity. if you want to develop games for x360 or ps3 you need to rob a bank or be a king of african kingdom with a bunch of virgins in your harem to afford costs of making not even a AA title, but anykind of game so this is nuts(actually this is madess, but if you don't want to dine in hell then you need something more than 300 guys in gay looking outfits).

 The PSP does give you something. You get the console experience in a portable machine. That is something different. Shame on you for PSP bashing. 

I was mostly a PC gamer for the previous generation (only owning a DS lite since when it came out). With regard to dumbing down games that's not necessary the case anymore. With the Cell processor and Blu-Ray technically consoles provide technical advantages over PC gaming of their own.

With regard to the Wii, the bestsellers are totally unlike PC games. This style of gameplay is new and interests many new consumers, especially females.

@Goosegaws
Im not talking about a specific genre of game dying here. That idea i understand perfectly, i totally understand that.

@fkusumot
I guess theres a few ways it could effects consoles. Think of the industry as a whole. With consoles, theres a certain limitation. If everything becomes "LCD" made for consoles, you may have stagnation in the market. With increased costs of production for consoles and gaming in general, this is becoming more and more a reality. Its been talked a lot about recently that developers are less likely to take risks, essentially making the market stale.

Not to mention more and more the oversaturation of the market. Look at this past christmas season, with the amount of competition with software. Theres been a quite a few people ive heard say they just straight ran out of money and werent able to buy the games they wanted because too many options.

All this could lead to a similar problem the Music and Movie industry is having with decreased sales. While they say its piracy, a lot of others just say because they keep releasing crap and people are getting sick of it. But thats pure speculation there.

Another issue is with increasing knowledge and simplicity of PCs, including decreasing prices (I used to build custom made PCs, while most people dont see the trend, it is actually the case), and now people are more knowledgable about computers then they were a couple of years ago, PCs may once again become a bigger player in the gaming world.

In reality, ignoring the price of a Monitor, speakers and keyboard, you can build an extremely well suited gaming PC for the price it costs to buy a PS3 80 gig right now, AND it be more capable, and have more uses. I say without the monitor and speakers, but before anyone jumps on me about that, does the price of a PS3 include a TV and stereo/surround sound system?

Also, now that you have a lot of mulitplats being released on PC as well, with superior graphics and lower prices, many people may be compelled to stick with PC gaming in the near future.

This is all speculation. Main thing is its all a piece of a bigger picture, of what people have been talking about with the way the industry is moving, towards a blander, less risk, repetitious market.

PS: im not going to get into a discussion of the Wii and my last little comment in this post. Yes, the Wiis control is an innovation, but it doesnt necessarily make the games innovating.

Since someone mentioned it, i guess i have to comment on it. As much as the Wii is so innovating, i have yet to see any true innovation in the games. As much as people say otherwise, many of the big games that are on the Wii could easily be the same game on the Xbox 360/PS3 or onto the PC with its keyboard and mouse.

Games like Super Mario Galaxy could be easily translated to work on the either console, even SSBB, the main website for that game recommends using the Gamecube controller to play it. Dont believe me, ill site it for you. As much as ive seen with the Wii, developers have yet to really take its innovative controls and use it to make a truly innovative game.

fkusumot said: waron said: wii is expanding the industry for completely new gamers just like ds. nintendo gave developers great oportunity to make something fresh and to take their games to a real next level. psp, x360 and ps3 are the ones that ruining the gaming industry giving nothing. they're just the same consoles like psx but with better graphics - they made a limit for developers and their creativity. if you want to develop games for x360 or ps3 you need to rob a bank or be a king of african kingdom with a bunch of virgins in your harem to afford costs of making not even a AA title, but anykind of game so this is nuts(actually this is madess, but if you don't want to dine in hell then you need something more than 300 guys in gay looking outfits). The PSP does give you something. You get the console experience in a portable machine. That is something different. Shame on you for PSP bashing.

then what the heck was the whole nintendo kingdom of portable consoles earlier? it didn't give you console experience in portable machine? psp gave us only loco roco, potapon nad bunch of games that i could find on ps2. so for me psp is just a smaller ps2.

waron said: fkusumot said: waron said: wii is expanding the industry for completely new gamers just like ds. nintendo gave developers great oportunity to make something fresh and to take their games to a real next level. psp, x360 and ps3 are the ones that ruining the gaming industry giving nothing. they're just the same consoles like psx but with better graphics - they made a limit for developers and their creativity. if you want to develop games for x360 or ps3 you need to rob a bank or be a king of african kingdom with a bunch of virgins in your harem to afford costs of making not even a AA title, but anykind of game so this is nuts(actually this is madess, but if you don't want to dine in hell then you need something more than 300 guys in gay looking outfits). The PSP does give you something. You get the console experience in a portable machine. That is something different. Shame on you for PSP bashing. then what the heck was the whole nintendo kingdom of portable consoles earlier? it didn't give you console experience in portable machine? psp gave us only loco roco, potapon nad bunch of games that i could find on ps2. so for me psp is just a smaller ps2.

Umm, duh, hence the name. You are just proving his point.

prlatino86 said: @Goosegaws Im not talking about a specific genre of game dying here. That idea i understand perfectly, i totally understand that. @fkusumot I guess theres a few ways it could effects consoles. Think of the industry as a whole. With consoles, theres a certain limitation. If everything becomes "LCD" made for consoles, you may have stagnation in the market. With increased costs of production for consoles and gaming in general, this is becoming more and more a reality. Its been talked a lot about recently that developers are less likely to take risks, essentially making the market stale. Not to mention more and more the oversaturation of the market. Look at this past christmas season, with the amount of competition with software. Theres been a quite a few people ive heard say they just straight ran out of money and werent able to buy the games they wanted because too many options. All this could lead to a similar problem the Music and Movie industry is having with decreased sales. While they say its piracy, a lot of others just say because they keep releasing crap and people are getting sick of it. But thats pure speculation there. Another issue is with increasing knowledge and simplicity of PCs, including decreasing prices (I used to build custom made PCs, while most people dont see the trend, it is actually the case), and now people are more knowledgable about computers then they were a couple of years ago, PCs may once again become a bigger player in the gaming world. In reality, ignoring the price of a Monitor, speakers and keyboard, you can build an extremely well suited gaming PC for the price it costs to buy a PS3 80 gig right now, AND it be more capable, and have more uses. I say without the monitor and speakers, but before anyone jumps on me about that, does the price of a PS3 include a TV and stereo/surround sound system? Also, now that you have a lot of mulitplats being released on PC as well, with superior graphics and lower prices, many people may be compelled to stick with PC gaming in the near future. This is all speculation. Main thing is its all a piece of a bigger picture, of what people have been talking about with the way the industry is moving, towards a blander, less risk, repetitious market. PS: im not going to get into a discussion of the Wii and my last little comment in this post. Yes, the Wiis control is an innovation, but it doesnt necessarily make the games innovating.

 I don't know. I can't follow the logic of your argument. You keep sticking in strange pieces of information that don't seem to apply. For instance your comment about people running out of money because there were too many games that they wanted. That doesn't sound like it's really a bad situation for a gamer. It would seem worse to have enough money to buy games but have no games that you wanted to buy.

  You follow up the "saturation" comment with something about declining sales in the music and movie industry. I don't think the decline was preceded by a glut of great artistic masterpieces. I'm not sure what type of speculation you were making there. 

  On to PC's, you comment that they are becoming more accessible. That's a good thing, right? I'm not sure how that figures into your OP.  

@ prlatino86

Not more capable with regard to watching Blu-Ray movies and nor per se with regard to gaming.

Most people prefer to play games and watch movies on TV sets, for this the PS3 is far more suitable. You can easily connect many Sixaxis controllers for multi-player fun, you don't have to worry about viruses, trojans and all that stuff.

I have been a PC assembler in my student years as well, most consumers were and still are misinformed and uneducated with regard to PCs. The most common basic knowledge basically comes down to, more Mhz means faster (which doesn't per se need to be the case) and more memory is better (especially for using Windows and software).

PC's are mostly used for internet surfing, reading emails, writing documents and such. For this you don't need the latest and "greatest" OS, nor do you really need an impressive PC setup.