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yes 168 42.21%
 
maybe 58 14.57%
 
no 172 43.22%
 
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enditall727 on 04 April 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
enditall727 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Why trim it down? Why not use 4 DVDs like Lost Odyssey?


This is the same question i asked myself

 

I thought about Lost Odyssey because it had 4 discs. I never really understood why Square stressed getting it on 3 discs

Safe bet they put everything they wanted in those three discs.

One last point. As I mentioned MGS4 was a linear game but a PS3 exclusive. I bet if that game launched on 360 as well you would have blamed the 360. But since that didn't happen, you just accept Kojima made a linear game. Yet you refuse to believe FFXIII was going to be linear regardless. No game has ever showed Bluray was necessary on PS3 but FFXIII was somehow the exception. Funny how that works.


MGS4 is not FF13



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kain_kusanagi on 04 April 2013
enditall727 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
enditall727 said:
nuckles87 said:
enditall727 said:
nuckles87 said:
enditall727 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
enditall727 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
enditall727 said:


i guess

 

Square pretty much admitted it but whatever

I've never ready anything to suggest it. Source?


just go to google and type in something like "square cut content from final fantasy 13" or something

 

there will be multiple links

Did it. Didn't find any quotes from anyone at Square saying the 360 limited game content. Everything mentioning cut content doesn't say it was for the port.

I remember reading an article about a 3D asset artist working for Square on FF13. She said she worked for months on a 3D model of a rock. It wans't that it was difficult or it needed to be just right for a really special scene. It was just a random rock, but nobody check in on her and she had nothing else to do but work ont he rock.

Stories like that tell me that Square lost focus and had too many people working on too many things. Of course unfinished junk is going to get cut from a game when you have too many cooks in the kitchen and the head chef doesn't even know what's for dinner.


Supposedly the cut content wasn't "junk"

i also remember square stressing about getting ff13 on specifically 3 discs for 360. That's what they kept "aiming" for.

 

Edit: i couldn't find a link for the specific article i read on it but here is this http://www.vg247.com/2010/02/02/confirmed-ffxiii-360-to-ship-on-3-dvds/

 

they had to cut a game's worth of content from FF13 so it could fit on 3 360 discs


That link does nothing to back up your claim, though.

You are correct that a game's worth of content was cut, but the 360 was never blamed for it:

http://www.siliconera.com/2010/01/13/noras-secret-base-and-lightnings-home-cut-from-final-fantasy-xiii/


oh i remember this

i was going to mention that but i couldn't think of the names

these were supposedly some examples of what was cut from FF13

 

and the link i provided DOES back my claim wtf lol

Neither link says "Square Enix cut content from FF13 because of the Xbox 360". So no, it doesn't. In fact, the link I posted specifically mentions why the content was removed, and it WASN'T because of the 360.

we can hope that this is true but it is what it is

and of course they didn't just flat out say "it was because of the 360" lol XD

 

they wouldn't have stressed so much about fitting it on specifically 3 dvds if that was the case. they had to trim that bad boy down

 

but whatever

It's well known that MS charges publishers extra for more discs. That's why they wanted it on as few discs as possible. You just keep assuming the worst and filling in blanks that aren't there.

I didn't know about them charging extra for extra discs

 

and nah it seems more like you can't handle the truth or something

you are just ingoring or pushing away everything YOU think is worse/bad. That is pretty much the only thing you've been doing this whole time..

I understand that you like M$ but it is what it is man

 


What are you talking about? There is no evidence to suggest that Square cut anything because of the Xbox 360 version.  None, nadda, zip, zilch, zero, nothing. Stuff was cut, but stuff is always cut during production. All your links have no support for your claims. You seem to want there to be evidence so you read between lines with nothing between them. But there is no evidence that the game would have been different as a PS3 exclusive. I'm not the only one telling you that Square didn't make FF13 bad to fit on the 360. It is what is and it was going to be what is before it was ported, man.



enditall727 on 04 April 2013
kain_kusanagi said:
enditall727 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
enditall727 said:
nuckles87 said:
enditall727 said:
nuckles87 said:
enditall727 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
enditall727 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
enditall727 said:


i guess

 

Square pretty much admitted it but whatever

I've never ready anything to suggest it. Source?


just go to google and type in something like "square cut content from final fantasy 13" or something

 

there will be multiple links

Did it. Didn't find any quotes from anyone at Square saying the 360 limited game content. Everything mentioning cut content doesn't say it was for the port.

I remember reading an article about a 3D asset artist working for Square on FF13. She said she worked for months on a 3D model of a rock. It wans't that it was difficult or it needed to be just right for a really special scene. It was just a random rock, but nobody check in on her and she had nothing else to do but work ont he rock.

Stories like that tell me that Square lost focus and had too many people working on too many things. Of course unfinished junk is going to get cut from a game when you have too many cooks in the kitchen and the head chef doesn't even know what's for dinner.


Supposedly the cut content wasn't "junk"

i also remember square stressing about getting ff13 on specifically 3 discs for 360. That's what they kept "aiming" for.

 

Edit: i couldn't find a link for the specific article i read on it but here is this http://www.vg247.com/2010/02/02/confirmed-ffxiii-360-to-ship-on-3-dvds/

 

they had to cut a game's worth of content from FF13 so it could fit on 3 360 discs


That link does nothing to back up your claim, though.

You are correct that a game's worth of content was cut, but the 360 was never blamed for it:

http://www.siliconera.com/2010/01/13/noras-secret-base-and-lightnings-home-cut-from-final-fantasy-xiii/


oh i remember this

i was going to mention that but i couldn't think of the names

these were supposedly some examples of what was cut from FF13

 

and the link i provided DOES back my claim wtf lol

Neither link says "Square Enix cut content from FF13 because of the Xbox 360". So no, it doesn't. In fact, the link I posted specifically mentions why the content was removed, and it WASN'T because of the 360.

we can hope that this is true but it is what it is

and of course they didn't just flat out say "it was because of the 360" lol XD

 

they wouldn't have stressed so much about fitting it on specifically 3 dvds if that was the case. they had to trim that bad boy down

 

but whatever

It's well known that MS charges publishers extra for more discs. That's why they wanted it on as few discs as possible. You just keep assuming the worst and filling in blanks that aren't there.

I didn't know about them charging extra for extra discs

 

and nah it seems more like you can't handle the truth or something

you are just ingoring or pushing away everything YOU think is worse/bad. That is pretty much the only thing you've been doing this whole time..

I understand that you like M$ but it is what it is man

 


What are you talking about? There is no evidence to suggest that Square cut anything because of the Xbox 360 version.  None, nadda, zip, zilch, zero, nothing. Stuff was cut, but stuff is always cut during production. All your links have no support for your claims. You seem to want there to be evidence so you read between lines with nothing between them. But there is no evidence that the game would have been different as a PS3 exclusive. I'm not the only one telling you that Square didn't make FF13 bad to fit on the 360. It is what is and it was going to be what is before it was ported, man.

There is no evidence to suggest that Square cut anything because of the Xbox 360 version.

i presented the evidence. It's just that you are ignoring it

 

You seem to want there to be evidence so you read between lines with nothing between them

you are the only 1 reading between the lines man

 

I'm not the only one telling you that Square didn't make FF13 bad to fit on the 360.

 

nah i'm saying that we didn't get the full game. It's possible that it still probably wouldn't have been the most stellar game but we will never know at this point

 

it is what it is



scottie on 04 April 2013
enditall727 said:
scottie said:
@ The prof - while I have no evidence as to what extent this is true, I believe that to some large degree, you are confusing cause and effect.

Which seems more reasonable to you on the face of it.

"Due to taking a step that usually increases sales, sales decreased"

or

"Due to expectations that sales would decrease, developers took steps that would normally increase sales".

For instance, FF13 was a bad game, it was a bad game before the 360 version came out. The devs released it on 2 consoles to sell more. There reason it sold poorly was because it was bad, not because it was multiplat.


FF13 released on 360 and ps3 on the same day except for japan. The japanese version was butchered aswell

 

and they released it on 360 because M$ had simply "asked(paid?)" them to. They originally tried to cover that up by saying that they wanted to "broaden their audience". They pretty much admitted everything after FF13 got criticised

 

i will look for the link and edit it in


oh, yeah, sorry, FFXIII was announced on PS3, then later announced for 360, and there was that big hullaballoo where people were saying the 360 version was delaying the PS3 version. Regardless, my point still stands that for the important part of its development cycle, where all the faults were developed, it was being developed as a PS3 exclusive.



kain_kusanagi on 04 April 2013
enditall727 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
enditall727 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
enditall727 said:
nuckles87 said:
enditall727 said:
nuckles87 said:
enditall727 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
enditall727 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
enditall727 said:


i guess

 

Square pretty much admitted it but whatever

I've never ready anything to suggest it. Source?


just go to google and type in something like "square cut content from final fantasy 13" or something

 

there will be multiple links

Did it. Didn't find any quotes from anyone at Square saying the 360 limited game content. Everything mentioning cut content doesn't say it was for the port.

I remember reading an article about a 3D asset artist working for Square on FF13. She said she worked for months on a 3D model of a rock. It wans't that it was difficult or it needed to be just right for a really special scene. It was just a random rock, but nobody check in on her and she had nothing else to do but work ont he rock.

Stories like that tell me that Square lost focus and had too many people working on too many things. Of course unfinished junk is going to get cut from a game when you have too many cooks in the kitchen and the head chef doesn't even know what's for dinner.


Supposedly the cut content wasn't "junk"

i also remember square stressing about getting ff13 on specifically 3 discs for 360. That's what they kept "aiming" for.

 

Edit: i couldn't find a link for the specific article i read on it but here is this http://www.vg247.com/2010/02/02/confirmed-ffxiii-360-to-ship-on-3-dvds/

 

they had to cut a game's worth of content from FF13 so it could fit on 3 360 discs


That link does nothing to back up your claim, though.

You are correct that a game's worth of content was cut, but the 360 was never blamed for it:

http://www.siliconera.com/2010/01/13/noras-secret-base-and-lightnings-home-cut-from-final-fantasy-xiii/


oh i remember this

i was going to mention that but i couldn't think of the names

these were supposedly some examples of what was cut from FF13

 

and the link i provided DOES back my claim wtf lol

Neither link says "Square Enix cut content from FF13 because of the Xbox 360". So no, it doesn't. In fact, the link I posted specifically mentions why the content was removed, and it WASN'T because of the 360.

we can hope that this is true but it is what it is

and of course they didn't just flat out say "it was because of the 360" lol XD

 

they wouldn't have stressed so much about fitting it on specifically 3 dvds if that was the case. they had to trim that bad boy down

 

but whatever

It's well known that MS charges publishers extra for more discs. That's why they wanted it on as few discs as possible. You just keep assuming the worst and filling in blanks that aren't there.

I didn't know about them charging extra for extra discs

 

and nah it seems more like you can't handle the truth or something

you are just ingoring or pushing away everything YOU think is worse/bad. That is pretty much the only thing you've been doing this whole time..

I understand that you like M$ but it is what it is man

 


What are you talking about? There is no evidence to suggest that Square cut anything because of the Xbox 360 version.  None, nadda, zip, zilch, zero, nothing. Stuff was cut, but stuff is always cut during production. All your links have no support for your claims. You seem to want there to be evidence so you read between lines with nothing between them. But there is no evidence that the game would have been different as a PS3 exclusive. I'm not the only one telling you that Square didn't make FF13 bad to fit on the 360. It is what is and it was going to be what is before it was ported, man.

There is no evidence to suggest that Square cut anything because of the Xbox 360 version.

i presented the evidence. It's just that you are ignoring it

 

You seem to want there to be evidence so you read between lines with nothing between them

you are the only 1 reading between the lines man

 

I'm not the only one telling you that Square didn't make FF13 bad to fit on the 360.

 

nah i'm saying that we didn't get the full game. It's possible that it still probably wouldn't have been the most stellar game but we will never know at this point

 

it is what it is

This is the entire content of your "evidence":


"Square Enix has told VG247 that the 360 version of Final Fantasy XIII will ship on three DVDs in March.

 

The news comes after it was US retailer Gamefly listed the RPG at three discs overnight.

“Yes the game is on three DVDs for the 360,” a Square rep told us.

It was also confirmed to us that you’re not going to be doing too much ejecting during play.

“Players will only have to swap discs twice during their entire game,” said the rep.

Last year at gamescom, producer Yoshinori Kitase told VG247 Square was “aiming” to get keep the magic number at three.

The title was announced for 360 by the president of Square Yoichi Wada in July 2008 at E3.

Final Fantasy XIII will release in the west for PS3 and 360 on March 9."

 

Please bold the text that says the game was striped down for the Xbox 360 version.



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enditall727 on 04 April 2013
kain_kusanagi said:
enditall727 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
enditall727 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
enditall727 said:
nuckles87 said:
enditall727 said:
nuckles87 said:
enditall727 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
enditall727 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
enditall727 said:


i guess

 

Square pretty much admitted it but whatever

I've never ready anything to suggest it. Source?


just go to google and type in something like "square cut content from final fantasy 13" or something

 

there will be multiple links

Did it. Didn't find any quotes from anyone at Square saying the 360 limited game content. Everything mentioning cut content doesn't say it was for the port.

I remember reading an article about a 3D asset artist working for Square on FF13. She said she worked for months on a 3D model of a rock. It wans't that it was difficult or it needed to be just right for a really special scene. It was just a random rock, but nobody check in on her and she had nothing else to do but work ont he rock.

Stories like that tell me that Square lost focus and had too many people working on too many things. Of course unfinished junk is going to get cut from a game when you have too many cooks in the kitchen and the head chef doesn't even know what's for dinner.


Supposedly the cut content wasn't "junk"

i also remember square stressing about getting ff13 on specifically 3 discs for 360. That's what they kept "aiming" for.

 

Edit: i couldn't find a link for the specific article i read on it but here is this http://www.vg247.com/2010/02/02/confirmed-ffxiii-360-to-ship-on-3-dvds/

 

they had to cut a game's worth of content from FF13 so it could fit on 3 360 discs


That link does nothing to back up your claim, though.

You are correct that a game's worth of content was cut, but the 360 was never blamed for it:

http://www.siliconera.com/2010/01/13/noras-secret-base-and-lightnings-home-cut-from-final-fantasy-xiii/


oh i remember this

i was going to mention that but i couldn't think of the names

these were supposedly some examples of what was cut from FF13

 

and the link i provided DOES back my claim wtf lol

Neither link says "Square Enix cut content from FF13 because of the Xbox 360". So no, it doesn't. In fact, the link I posted specifically mentions why the content was removed, and it WASN'T because of the 360.

we can hope that this is true but it is what it is

and of course they didn't just flat out say "it was because of the 360" lol XD

 

they wouldn't have stressed so much about fitting it on specifically 3 dvds if that was the case. they had to trim that bad boy down

 

but whatever

It's well known that MS charges publishers extra for more discs. That's why they wanted it on as few discs as possible. You just keep assuming the worst and filling in blanks that aren't there.

I didn't know about them charging extra for extra discs

 

and nah it seems more like you can't handle the truth or something

you are just ingoring or pushing away everything YOU think is worse/bad. That is pretty much the only thing you've been doing this whole time..

I understand that you like M$ but it is what it is man

 


What are you talking about? There is no evidence to suggest that Square cut anything because of the Xbox 360 version.  None, nadda, zip, zilch, zero, nothing. Stuff was cut, but stuff is always cut during production. All your links have no support for your claims. You seem to want there to be evidence so you read between lines with nothing between them. But there is no evidence that the game would have been different as a PS3 exclusive. I'm not the only one telling you that Square didn't make FF13 bad to fit on the 360. It is what is and it was going to be what is before it was ported, man.

There is no evidence to suggest that Square cut anything because of the Xbox 360 version.

i presented the evidence. It's just that you are ignoring it

 

You seem to want there to be evidence so you read between lines with nothing between them

you are the only 1 reading between the lines man

 

I'm not the only one telling you that Square didn't make FF13 bad to fit on the 360.

 

nah i'm saying that we didn't get the full game. It's possible that it still probably wouldn't have been the most stellar game but we will never know at this point

 

it is what it is

This is the entire content of your "evidence":


"Square Enix has told VG247 that the 360 version of Final Fantasy XIII will ship on three DVDs in March.

 

The news comes after it was US retailer Gamefly listed the RPG at three discs overnight.

“Yes the game is on three DVDs for the 360,” a Square rep told us.

It was also confirmed to us that you’re not going to be doing too much ejecting during play.

“Players will only have to swap discs twice during their entire game,” said the rep.

Last year at gamescom, producer Yoshinori Kitase told VG247 Square was “aiming” to get keep the magic number at three.

The title was announced for 360 by the president of Square Yoichi Wada in July 2008 at E3.

Final Fantasy XIII will release in the west for PS3 and 360 on March 9."

 

Please bold the text that says the game was striped down for the Xbox 360 version.

I'm saying that i presented it throughout this little FF13 discussion, not just this 1 link

 

honestly, the only people who STILL can't seem to figure this out are either pro Xbox guys or people who dont want to see M$ in some sort of a "negative" light

 

...



ShadowSoldier on 04 April 2013

You're ignoring userbase..but I'd genreally agree. The Japanese devs that went Multiplat have to had asked themselves....was it even worth it? SE did so much damage to their own brand and thats not exclusively due to going MP but for the simple fact their "LETS APPEAL TO THE WEST" movement was centred around giving MS early exclusive support now look at them.



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Nsanity on 04 April 2013

Wasnt San Andreas timed exclusive on the PS2?



kain_kusanagi on 04 April 2013
enditall727 said:
kain_kusanagi said:

This is the entire content of your "evidence":


"Square Enix has told VG247 that the 360 version of Final Fantasy XIII will ship on three DVDs in March.

 

The news comes after it was US retailer Gamefly listed the RPG at three discs overnight.

“Yes the game is on three DVDs for the 360,” a Square rep told us.

It was also confirmed to us that you’re not going to be doing too much ejecting during play.

“Players will only have to swap discs twice during their entire game,” said the rep.

Last year at gamescom, producer Yoshinori Kitase told VG247 Square was “aiming” to get keep the magic number at three.

The title was announced for 360 by the president of Square Yoichi Wada in July 2008 at E3.

Final Fantasy XIII will release in the west for PS3 and 360 on March 9."

 

Please bold the text that says the game was striped down for the Xbox 360 version.

I'm saying that i presented it throughout this little FF13 discussion, not just this 1 link

 

honestly, the only people who STILL can't seem to figure this out are either pro Xbox guys or people who dont want to see M$ in some sort of a "negative" light

 

...


Stating something doesn't make it fact. You have made a lot of claims, but you have to back them up with facts and sources. The source you gave is the link I quoted above and it is not evidence to support your claims.

What you have is an opinion. An opinion that you believe in strongly, but an opinion that others can disagree with.



theprof00 on 04 April 2013
Nsanity said:
Wasnt San Andreas timed exclusive on the PS2?

Perhaps you missed it, but the list is from announced exclusives.

As in, they were originally exclusive. Going multiplat down the line doesn't really affect sales, as proven by sales of bioshock and mass effect on ps3.