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Mazty said:


You are just presuming there is some sort of maximum price on how much land property will influence a value. You are wrong at every turn here buddy. I live in the UK and the housing here is shit - cold, damp and poor sound insulation:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19763791

It's much more to do with location than anything else. 

 

 

You just keep missing my point. Those cold damp and poorly insulated houses are not new but old houses. And old houses get renovated too if they are worth it. Surely you do not live in a house worth 600000 pound ?

 

I am also not presuming a max cap on property prices just that newly built houses will not be cheaper than the property value.

 

Prices like you linked are normal for inner cities. Thats true for any crowded place high in demand.

 

The money europeans can't spend on size gets spent elsewhere. 

 

I am sorry that you have to put up with such horrible houses but I doubt the whole UK is such a hell hole. And I have seen how "great" US houses can be and I learned to appreciate the european style of quality vs quantity (if one can afford it). Ofcourse there are fine houses in the USA too but if they are 5 times cheaper than a european house of the same size that stands on cheap property than there is definetly a lot of things wrong with. it. 

 





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Netyaroze said:
Mazty said:


You are just presuming there is some sort of maximum price on how much land property will influence a value. You are wrong at every turn here buddy. I live in the UK and the housing here is shit - cold, damp and poor sound insulation:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19763791

It's much more to do with location than anything else. 

You just keep missing my point. Those cold damp and poorly insulated houses are not new but old houses. And old houses get renovated too if they are worth it. Surely you do not live in a house worth 600000 pound ?

I am also not presuming a max cap on property prices just that newly built houses will not be cheaper than the property value.

Prices like you linked are normal for inner cities. Thats true for any crowded place high in demand.

The money europeans can't spend on size gets spent elsewhere. 

I am sorry that you have to put up with such horrible houses but I doubt the whole UK is such a hell hole. And I have seen how "great" US houses can be and I learned to appreciate the european style of quality vs quantity (if one can afford it). Ofcourse there are fine houses in the USA too but if they are 5 times cheaper than a european house of the same size that stands on cheap property than there is definetly a lot of things wrong with. it. 

Dude what the hell is your point?

"Old houses get renovated it they are worth it" - what has that got to do with anything? I was highlighting that location is the key factor in price, not the building material. 

"Normal for inner cities". Really. You are telling me that $137,000 will get you an apartment in most cities no bigger than a snooker table? Proof? Or another guess?

No it doesn't. The money Europeans spend goes mainly on land; we don't have noticably better homes than anywhere else. And yes, the entire UK is like that. You need to stop with your inane, rediculous guessing and actually look up what you are talking about because you are just being incredibly ignorant and arrogant as you think your unfounded ideas are magically true. 

If you are just going to make more unfounded bullshit claims, just leave the thread as you are being as constructive as a stick of TNT. 



Mazty said:

Dude what the hell is your point?

"Old houses get renovated it they are worth it" - what has that got to do with anything? I was highlighting that location is the key factor in price, not the building material. 

"Normal for inner cities". Really. You are telling me that $137,000 will get you an apartment in most cities no bigger than a snooker table? Proof? Or another guess?

No it doesn't. The money Europeans spend goes mainly on land; we don't have noticably better homes than anywhere else. And yes, the entire UK is like that. You need to stop with your inane, rediculous guessing and actually look up what you are talking about because you are just being incredibly ignorant and arrogant as you think your unfounded ideas are magically true. 

If you are just going to make more unfounded bullshit claims, just leave the thread as you are being as constructive as a stick of TNT. 

Just looked up London Housing prices seems like they are the second most expensive in the world. Didn't expect such a big difference to the rest of Europe, I knew they were up there in the Top 10 but its a huge jump. That would change things.

 

Still convinced US Houses are often sub optimal quality. Maybe its even worse in the UK. If your description is anything to go by.





Netyaroze said:
Mazty said:

Dude what the hell is your point?

"Old houses get renovated it they are worth it" - what has that got to do with anything? I was highlighting that location is the key factor in price, not the building material. 

"Normal for inner cities". Really. You are telling me that $137,000 will get you an apartment in most cities no bigger than a snooker table? Proof? Or another guess?

No it doesn't. The money Europeans spend goes mainly on land; we don't have noticably better homes than anywhere else. And yes, the entire UK is like that. You need to stop with your inane, rediculous guessing and actually look up what you are talking about because you are just being incredibly ignorant and arrogant as you think your unfounded ideas are magically true. 

If you are just going to make more unfounded bullshit claims, just leave the thread as you are being as constructive as a stick of TNT. 

Just looked up London Housing prices seems like they are the second most expensive in the world. Didn't expect such a big difference to the rest of Europe, I knew they were up there in the Top 10 but its a huge jump. That would change things.

 

Still convinced US Houses are often sub optimal quality. Maybe its even worse in the UK. If your description is anything to go by.




So you've been arguing something you know nothing about...Thought as much.

Oh look at that you're still arguing about something you have no evidence for. "Sub optimal quality" and yet you have literally nothing to back yourself up. Please leave this thread. 



Mazty said:
Netyaroze said:
Mazty said:

Dude what the hell is your point?

"Old houses get renovated it they are worth it" - what has that got to do with anything? I was highlighting that location is the key factor in price, not the building material. 

"Normal for inner cities". Really. You are telling me that $137,000 will get you an apartment in most cities no bigger than a snooker table? Proof? Or another guess?

No it doesn't. The money Europeans spend goes mainly on land; we don't have noticably better homes than anywhere else. And yes, the entire UK is like that. You need to stop with your inane, rediculous guessing and actually look up what you are talking about because you are just being incredibly ignorant and arrogant as you think your unfounded ideas are magically true. 

If you are just going to make more unfounded bullshit claims, just leave the thread as you are being as constructive as a stick of TNT. 

Just looked up London Housing prices seems like they are the second most expensive in the world. Didn't expect such a big difference to the rest of Europe, I knew they were up there in the Top 10 but its a huge jump. That would change things.

 

Still convinced US Houses are often sub optimal quality. Maybe its even worse in the UK. If your description is anything to go by.




So you've been arguing something you know nothing about...Thought as much.

Oh look at that you're still arguing about something you have no evidence for. "Sub optimal quality" and yet you have literally nothing to back yourself up. Please leave this thread. 


Dude I have seen it with my own eyes. I saw the difference and thats what my whole opinion is based on. You are believing US houses are superior ? Based on what ?

 



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Netyaroze said:
Mazty said:

So you've been arguing something you know nothing about...Thought as much.

Oh look at that you're still arguing about something you have no evidence for. "Sub optimal quality" and yet you have literally nothing to back yourself up. Please leave this thread. 


Dude I have seen it with my own eyes. I saw the difference and thats what my whole opinion is based on. You are believing US houses are superior ? Based on what ?

 


Your view is based on anecdotal evidence...Good grief.
Superior? Strawman. 

4 sentences and yet you worked in 2 fallacies. That's quite impressive. Now leave the thread please.



Mazty said:


Your view is based on anecdotal evidence...Good grief.
Superior? Strawman. 

4 sentences and yet you worked in 2 fallacies. That's quite impressive. Now leave the thread please.


Hmm, You do realize that there is no data available to "prove" anything in that regard. All anyone has is anecdotal evidence.

My argument was not a strawman it was a genuine question to see where you are standing on that matter.

Also why do you constantly keep asking me to leave the thread ? Was I insulting at any point ? Do I bother you ?  Wouldn't it be easier to just stop replying. I would if someones opinion annoys me.



Netyaroze said:
Mazty said:


Your view is based on anecdotal evidence...Good grief.
Superior? Strawman. 

4 sentences and yet you worked in 2 fallacies. That's quite impressive. Now leave the thread please.


Hmm, You do realize that there is no data available to "prove" anything in that regard. All anyone has is anecdotal evidence.

My argument was not a strawman it was a genuine question to see where you are standing on that matter.

Also why do you constantly keep asking me to leave the thread ? Was I insulting at any point ? Do I bother you ?  Wouldn't it be easier to just stop replying. I would if someones opinion annoys me.


Actually buidling material costs already seem to show that you are completely wrong on the front that brick costs near enough the same as most other materials. 

Your argument was a strawman as I never claimed US houses were superior. 

I'm asking you to politely leave the thread as you aren't contributing anything. You have simply argued points that you haven't done research on, and do so when it is far too late. 



Mazty said:


Actually buidling material costs already seem to show that you are completely wrong on the front that brick costs near enough the same as most other materials. 

Your argument was a strawman as I never claimed US houses were superior. 

I'm asking you to politely leave the thread as you aren't contributing anything. You have simply argued points that you haven't done research on, and do so when it is far too late. 


Bricks can have different prices they might look the same but have more insulating properties for example. Also assembly costs are higher (more time consuming) and there are expensive techniques to build in a wall and cheap ones. So the square metre prices tells us not everything. 

 

I also never claimed you claimed US houses were superior. I asked you how you see it.

Contributing ? The discussion we lead if EU/UK prices are justified and if European houses offer a quality advantage is purely opinion based. There are no facts. I contribute a different view point on that matter. One you obviously don't like but that doesn't mean its wrong or doesn't belong in here. 

 

If for you contributing means agreeing with you then yes I am not contributing.

I admit that I didn't knew how serious the housing situation in the UK is and maybe its dark and damp in UK houses, but I am not disregarding my personal experience which really showed me multiple times life isn't all that great in the USA (not for the middleclass anyway) and one reason is, the houses fall apart after a while, a European house needs much less maintaining. I know that because americans told me.

You might disagree but you are just as much right as I am. 

 

 I called it several posts before, we have to agree to disagree but it seems you are determined to make it look like I am wrong, yet you too lack the data to do that.

 

So best is we end the discussion here and people reading the thread will see several opinions to the topic.