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Wright said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

So you're saying it didn't have any exclusive major system sellers then?  The only game that come close to that level on your list are RE:4, but that was announced for PS2 before it was released on GC.  TP was out on Wii before it was on GC, so are you seriously saying that was a major title for GC?  Come on!  The gen was already over.

Some people say when big, exlusive 1st party games hit Wii U, sales will improve.  People argue that by saying it didn't work for Gamecube.  The point is, the GC versions of Nintendo's main franchises were odd titles, not the usual major epics people expect.  And the Gamecube was a late-launching purple box that didn't play media like its competitors but only child-size discs.  WiiU and GC are very different systems.  They may end up with the same sales, but it will be for different reasons if they do.


No. I'm saying that it had exclusives, and potential system sellers, such as the ones I listed. Let's ignore RE4, but the rest of the list stand still. Those games I've listed aren't goofies not cartoony (Perhaps Symphonia, but it was such an amazing, mature game that it has to be there). My point is, Gamecube "failed" because of marketing, not 1st party games or support. It is an underrated console. WiiU is failing because marketing. The same reason.


We'll just have to disagree.  I respect your opinion, but I think no matter how good the games were, no amount of marketing could sell a purple box and major titles featuring waterguns and cartoons to the mass market.  That, in combination with launching a year after PS2, with the PS2 being the follow up to the PS1 and GC being the follow up to N64 doomed the system.

WiiU's plight is very different.  I agree that marketing is a factor, but it's also dealing with unprecidented late-gen support for PS360. Those systems should be dead right now, but they're still getting major titles, even this fall with GTA and so on. As such, any new system is a hard sell with a higher price tag.  But exclusive first party will have much bigger impact on Wii U than GC if they are called Super Mario Universe and a dark, epic Zelda.  And because they are selling a system that isn't ugly, and one that is also a media player, and one that is a follow-up to a very popular brand.  Wii U may get blown away by PS4 and Nextbox, but not for the reasons GC did.



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Miguel_Zorro said:
Perhaps in a few years, Nintendo will release another console that is on par with the PS4 and whatever Microsoft comes out with. Will Nintendo call it a 9th generation console?

if by a few you mean 2 years from now then no I wouldn't consider that gen 9.  If by a few you mean 5 years from now then yes.




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Nintendo messed up a lot of things with the GC, but i dont see any of the same mistakes with the WiiU, except for killer apps at launch. Im sure the next Zelda game will be more mature, similar to TP, and an HD Metroid will pull in a lot of hardcore gamers. Nintendo has been quiet about the WiiU for a while so, i hope we can expect a bomb to be dropped at E3



I don't see your point...
Mario has always been verry colourfull and is about collecting stars and rescuing a princess in a pink dress that is called Peach, i don't see how that is any different in sunshine or the galaxy marios. It has alway been and probably always will be extremely cheesy.
Also i don't get how SSB was cool on the wii and not on the gamecube... same for MK, heck double dash was probably the bes MK there is. At least it's the one i enjoyed the most.
Same goes for New super mario bros, i just dont see a distionction in artsyle from the games mentioned above, so how does it miraculously become cool if the others were not...

Then there is Zelda... Now that WW remake must really be turning people off from buying a WiiU, since, well you know it's a cartoon and all and it's absolutely uncool to have a game like thos on my console. Also don't tell me the direction they were going for in SS is more apealing in anyway...

About the box being purple... well you might have a point there but personally i didn't mind and neither did any of my frends that had one.



huiii said:
I don't see your point...
Mario has always been verry colourfull and is about collecting stars and rescuing a princess in a pink dress that is called Peach, i don't see how that is any different in sunshine or the galaxy marios. It has alway been and probably always will be extremely cheesy.
Also i don't get how SSB was cool on the wii and not on the gamecube... same for MK, heck double dash was probably the bes MK there is. At least it's the one i enjoyed the most.
Same goes for New super mario bros, i just dont see a distionction in artsyle from the games mentioned above, so how does it miraculously become cool if the others were not...

Then there is Zelda... Now that WW remake must really be turning people off from buying a WiiU, since, well you know it's a cartoon and all and it's absolutely uncool to have a game like thos on my console. Also don't tell me the direction they were going for in SS is more apealing in anyway...

About the box being purple... well you might have a point there but personally i didn't mind and neither did any of my frends that had one.

The only problem is there aren't many people like you and your friends.  Less than 22 million. Most people did not like the look of the cube, or the theme of the games, no matter how great they were.

It's almost impossible for most grown men to say "Mario Sunshine" without sounding feminine.  This is a problem.  Especially when selling games to insecure 16-26 year old males.  This problem does not exist with saying Mario Galaxy. If you don't understand this concept, I can't explain it to you.

Windwaker on Wii U is not the main Zelda title for WiiU.

I did not like the direction of SS.  Nintendo did not like the sales of SS.  Expect it to look more like TP or OoT.





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the situations are eerily similar just like the vita and ps4



pezus said:
Uhm, isn't Wind Waker regarded as one of the top games of all time? Especially here on this site.


The topic isn't whether it's a good game.  It's whether it had mass appeal, and whether Wii U games will have appeal.  WW may be the best game in history, but many people passed because of it's toon look. Just the way it is.  If Zelda U looks like TP only better, it will draw core gamers and fringe Nintendo fans.  If it's toon, it will only get core Nintendo fans.  There is no reason to expect toon link, and there is no reason to expect it will have the weak draw of Zelda on GC.



I can't see why not, it's a fair comparison.



How dare you slander the Gamecube only to make Nintendo's latest "awesome idea" look good in comparison.

The Gamecube was godly on its own way and its sales in no way reflect the quality of its games catalogue. That's way more than can be said about... certain consoles in the market.



 

 

 

 

 

pezus said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
pezus said:
Uhm, isn't Wind Waker regarded as one of the top games of all time? Especially here on this site.


The topic isn't whether it's a good game.  It's whether it had mass appeal, and whether Wii U games will have appeal.  WW may be the best game in history, but many people passed because of it's toon look. Just the way it is.  If Zelda U looks like TP only better, it will draw core gamers and fringe Nintendo fans.  If it's toon, it will only get core Nintendo fans.  There is no reason to expect toon link, and there is no reason to expect it will have the weak draw of Zelda on GC.

You brush off it's cartoony artstyle, but isn't that what made the Wii so popular in the first place? The fact that it appealed to kids. The "16-26 yo male" crowd hardly mattered to Nintendo, and they surely didn't flock to Wii. I don't see how Nintendo making a more "casual" artstyle suddenly makes the thing less popular.


Wii was popular because it appealed to the mass audience.  The 16-25 crowd mattered. The 40 year old milf mattered.  The average age of Wii ownership was 30, not 10.  And a concept that is often lost on people is that even 10 year olds don't want something that looks like it was made for them.  They want something that their big brother would like to own.  So a console that looks like a Wii with a game that looks like TP is much more appealing to kids as well as older folk, as opposed to one that looks like lego.

Do you honestly think that toon Link is as appealing as realisitic Link?