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I think Wii U is more promising than what GameCube ever was!

I am expecting better games and more units sold! there is plateau on console power (after a certain poewer we would not care any longer) and probably on how many more console generation we will see.



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kitler53 said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
kitler53 said:
wiiU and gamecube share the most important characteristic to wiiU's future: the shape of the sales curve.


"I would have every reason to believe that Nintendo has learned what sells and what does not, and Wii U will be receiving Wii-like titles that are system sellers."

if that were so wii wouldn't be sitting at ~1/5 of the currently weekly sales of ps3 or 360. if that were so wiiU wouldn't be sitting at less than vita's weekly sales (aligned for launch).

The sales are currently weak, that's for sure.  But the point is, the games that Nintendo released for Gamecube were not system sellers.  The games they released for Wii were systemd sellers. I would expect the games for Wii U to be more like their Wii counterparts when they come.  And other than sluggish sales, there is almost nothing similar between Wii U and Gamecube, in look, design, function or games.  Their plights are very different.

Your second comment seems confused.  The games - the ones I'm saying will be in the style of Wii and not Gamecube - aren't out yet.  That, and the continued strength of PS360, are reasons for weak sales.  It has nothing to do with the games being like the Gamecube games.  They aren't, and aren't out yet.

which wiiU games?  really, which games are you refering to?

pikmin?  ..failed to ignite the gamecube.

mario kart?  ..failed to ignite the gamecube.

3D mario?  ..failed to ignite the gamecube.

monilith soft's game (project x for wiiU)?  ..failed to ignite the gamecube.

 

oh wait, i know, you are waiting for the "wii" games.  you know, as soon as a 2D mario or a party game collection like nintendo land release!  ..err, wait a sec.  Oh right, wii fit!  ...it's going to follow up with another massive sucess just like the 3DS version of nintendogs!  awww... shit.

there is nothing confused about my second statement.  the wii tanked in the end.  no other generation winner has ever fallen so quickly and so dramatically.  3DS needed a 32% price cut just to stay afloat and is still tracking below the DS with a trajectory to be massively down GenOverGen.  poor wiiU sales is just another piece of evidence that all leads to one ultimate conclusion...

nintendo has no idea what made the wii was a success and they cannot recreate it.

 

..but i don't expect you to understand that.  afterall, you were the only person on this site that was still adament that wiiU was doing wonderfully and simply supply constraint when everyone else (even the most staunch nintendo fans) we're able to objectively see the evidence even if they didn't like the conclusions it pointed to.


You are definitely confused on a few things.

1.  That any 3D mario game is a 3D Mario game.  Or any Zelda is a Zelda.  This isn't true. That is the point.  Gamecube had Mario and Zelda, but they were versions with odd themes and styles that were very much geared toward children instead of the whole family.

2. That any Monolithsoft game is the same. X is not Baiten Kaitos.

3. That if games can't sell a late-to-market purple lunch box, they can't sell anything.  WiiU is not a purple lunch box, and it was first to market.

4. That WiiU didn't sell great at launch.  It did. It was selling at 88% of Wii numbers till Christmas.  That is exceptional sales, especially in a much tougher market than what Wii faced. People seem to forget this.  When I said it was selling through as it was shipped, it was.  Sales only tanked in January. Now it is overstocked.



Wright said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

I think you're missing the point because you're struggling with reading comprehension in some way. I never said have Kratos jumping through Galaxies.

But yes. A purple, over-powered, games-only focused sytem that has a multi-colored controller with games with very childish themes like Sushine and cartoons, will not sell well to a broad audience.

And I am saying WiiU is nothing like it.  It is black and adult in appearence.  It is multi-media with a mainstream-friendly tablet interface. And if its games are like Wii, they will not have sunshine or cartoons as their theme.  It may or may not sell well, but it will be for different reasons than the Gamecube.

...o.O

 

It was on Gamecube too.

 

...among others.

So you're saying it didn't have any exclusive major system sellers then?  The only game that come close to that level on your list are RE:4, but that was announced for PS2 before it was released on GC.  TP was out on Wii before it was on GC, so are you seriously saying that was a major title for GC?  Come on!  The gen was already over.

Some people say when big, exlusive 1st party games hit Wii U, sales will improve.  People argue that by saying it didn't work for Gamecube.  The point is, the GC versions of Nintendo's main franchises were odd titles, not the usual major epics people expect.  And the Gamecube was a late-launching purple box that didn't play media like its competitors but only child-size discs.  WiiU and GC are very different systems.  They may end up with the same sales, but it will be for different reasons if they do.



TheLastStarFighter said:

Can people please stop comparing these systems.  In particular, I'm tired of the statement that Gamecube had lots of awesome games and didn't sell well, so how are games going to help WiiU.  The systems are nothing alike.

People say Mario Sunshine, Zelda: Windwaker, Smash Brothers, Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin, Metroid Prime and MarioKart DD couldn't sell Gamecube and they were amazing games.  I'm sorry, but they aren't.  Well, they may be great games, but I wouldn't know, because I didn't play them and didn't want to. I bought a PS2 instead.  And an XBox.  Mario Sunshine was a dorky name for a game with Mario using a watergun on vacation.  Zelda was a cartoon.  Metroid Prime may be amazing, but to me it looked weak and boring compared to Halo.

 

Dont criticise games you've never played. All the games you mentioned are phenominal. They dont deserve to be judged by how they look.



fedfed said:
I think Wii U is more promising than what GameCube ever was!

I am expecting better games and more units sold! there is plateau on console power (after a certain poewer we would not care any longer) and probably on how many more console generation we will see.


I think WiiU has a lot of potential.  We don't really know how things will play out yet, and we need to see how Wii U performs when it has some big exclusives, same-time release multi-plats and when the more expensive competition from Sony and MS.  Right now it has a couple mediocre exclusives, late ports and is the most expensive option on the market.  But we can be sure that Wii U won't turn purple, launch after the PS4, lose media abilities or have Mario Sunshine or Toon Link as its systems sellers.  At least I hope not on the last one. As such, the system's situation is nothing like the gamecube.



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Your right people shouldnt compare gamecube with wii-u....
Gamecube was actually a next gen console with up to date graphics when released



BossPuma said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

Can people please stop comparing these systems.  In particular, I'm tired of the statement that Gamecube had lots of awesome games and didn't sell well, so how are games going to help WiiU.  The systems are nothing alike.

People say Mario Sunshine, Zelda: Windwaker, Smash Brothers, Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin, Metroid Prime and MarioKart DD couldn't sell Gamecube and they were amazing games.  I'm sorry, but they aren't.  Well, they may be great games, but I wouldn't know, because I didn't play them and didn't want to. I bought a PS2 instead.  And an XBox.  Mario Sunshine was a dorky name for a game with Mario using a watergun on vacation.  Zelda was a cartoon.  Metroid Prime may be amazing, but to me it looked weak and boring compared to Halo.

 

Dont criticise games you've never played. All the games you mentioned are phenominal. They dont deserve to be judged by how they look.

hes not saying theyre bad games, just that they lacked a certain appeal to many due to straying from the path those games usually choose, alot of people probably thought sunshine was a spin off to buy time umtil the true sequel to mario 64 came out



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BossPuma said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

Can people please stop comparing these systems.  In particular, I'm tired of the statement that Gamecube had lots of awesome games and didn't sell well, so how are games going to help WiiU.  The systems are nothing alike.

People say Mario Sunshine, Zelda: Windwaker, Smash Brothers, Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin, Metroid Prime and MarioKart DD couldn't sell Gamecube and they were amazing games.  I'm sorry, but they aren't.  Well, they may be great games, but I wouldn't know, because I didn't play them and didn't want to. I bought a PS2 instead.  And an XBox.  Mario Sunshine was a dorky name for a game with Mario using a watergun on vacation.  Zelda was a cartoon.  Metroid Prime may be amazing, but to me it looked weak and boring compared to Halo.

 

Dont criticise games you've never played. All the games you mentioned are phenominal. They dont deserve to be judged by how they look.

You - and a few other Nintendo fans on this thread - have completely missed my point.  Whether they deserve it or not, that is how titles are judged.  I'm not saying that they are bad games.  In fact, I can't wait to try Wind Waker on WiiU.  I'm saying that their themes sucked so people wouldn't buy them.  They didn't have mass appeal because they were quirky offshoots.  In particular, when GC came out I was in college and few people would be caught dead with a purple box and sunshine and cartoon games in their flat, not when your neighbours have the cool PS2 and GTA or are having beers and shooting people in Halo.  Nintendo's big titles weren't factors in the GC era because the system was a toy and they had funny themes... and as such wouldn't sell to the key 16-25 demo.  I'm older now, and as such I have no problem playing toon Link.  But I still probably wouldn't buy a system that looked like the gamecube.  It just looks too immature.



TheLastStarFighter said:

So you're saying it didn't have any exclusive major system sellers then?  The only game that come close to that level on your list are RE:4, but that was announced for PS2 before it was released on GC.  TP was out on Wii before it was on GC, so are you seriously saying that was a major title for GC?  Come on!  The gen was already over.

Some people say when big, exlusive 1st party games hit Wii U, sales will improve.  People argue that by saying it didn't work for Gamecube.  The point is, the GC versions of Nintendo's main franchises were odd titles, not the usual major epics people expect.  And the Gamecube was a late-launching purple box that didn't play media like its competitors but only child-size discs.  WiiU and GC are very different systems.  They may end up with the same sales, but it will be for different reasons if they do.


No. I'm saying that it had exclusives, and potential system sellers, such as the ones I listed. Let's ignore RE4, but the rest of the list stand still. Those games I've listed aren't goofies not cartoony (Perhaps Symphonia, but it was such an amazing, mature game that it has to be there). My point is, Gamecube "failed" because of marketing, not 1st party games or support. It is an underrated console. WiiU is failing because marketing. The same reason.



TheLastStarFighter said:
fedfed said:
I think Wii U is more promising than what GameCube ever was!

I am expecting better games and more units sold! there is plateau on console power (after a certain poewer we would not care any longer) and probably on how many more console generation we will see.


I think WiiU has a lot of potential.  We don't really know how things will play out yet, and we need to see how Wii U performs when it has some big exclusives, same-time release multi-plats and when the more expensive competition from Sony and MS.  Right now it has a couple mediocre exclusives, late ports and is the most expensive option on the market.  But we can be sure that Wii U won't turn purple, launch after the PS4, lose media abilities or have Mario Sunshine or Toon Link as its systems sellers.  At least I hope not on the last one. As such, the system's situation is nothing like the gamecube.

May The Odds be Ever in (Wii)Ur Favour!



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