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2013 Winner?

Vita 255 40.09%
 
WiiU 284 44.65%
 
About Even 55 8.65%
 
Dreamcast 30 4.72%
 
Virtual Boy 12 1.89%
 
Total:636
archbrix said:
Soundwave said:

Both systems are going to be colossal disappointments, but IMO Wii U wins pretty easily in the battle of failures.

The worst two months for the Wii U are over, from now until year end it should have a pretty OK flow of games. LEGO City + Dragon Quest X (Japan) this month, probably Game & Wario next month, then hopefully Pikmin 3 in May, and Wii Fit U or Wonderful 101 in June going into fall where Nintendo revs up their bigger guns.

Vita, I'm still not seeing any semblance of a future lineup here. It seems like they blew their load in Japan already for the year and got a nice little surge, but what's next?

Both systems will be getting price cuts this year (count on it, especially with these dismal sales and the dropping yen) so that's a wash.

I don't know about 3D Mario, but I'd bet dollars to donughts that Mario Kart U and Wii Sports U are almost definitely guaranteed for fall 2013, Nintendo will divert all of Retro Studios to help EAD if that's what it takes to get Mario Kart done on time, they simply don't have a choice.

Though 3D Mario shouldn't really be out of the question either, the last game the main EAD Tokyo group did was Super Mario Galaxy 2 (a smaller sub team did Mario 3D Land), that will be 3 1/2 years from fall 2013, so they are overdue for a new game anyway.

Well said, except that I disagree that WiiU will be a colossal disappointment.  It could be, but Nintendo seems to be initiating the "3DS effect" in which case I think WiiU's sales are going to be a pleasant surprise this year.


The 3DS and Wii U are vastly different product. One has support and actual base appeal and one has neither. To top it all off, one also has massive competition already going and incoming. These are two incredibly different situations in two very different markets (don't anyone give me that nonsense that "consoles are consoles" and that handhelds and home consoles operate in the same market). You really can't see that?

I think that the Wii U sales will be anything but a pleasant surprise (if one wants it to succeed, that is). It will likely perform less than optimal if compared to anything but itself (and perhaps the Vita).



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Meret said:
platformmaster918 said:

Vita has had a monster couple weeks with a pricecut in just one region. 


What? hahaha, with 60K + 60K sales? Monster? oh wow. it's decent based on Vita's "coma" story, but it's very low compared to 3DS and ps3 pricecuts.

And today w/new media create and famitsu info we'll see how vita dropping in numbers.

Of course Wii U will sell more in 2013.

if anyone was expecting it to be as high as those 2 they need a reality check.  RELATIVELY monster.  As in for Vita.




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Mummelmann said:
archbrix said:
Soundwave said:

Both systems are going to be colossal disappointments, but IMO Wii U wins pretty easily in the battle of failures.

The worst two months for the Wii U are over, from now until year end it should have a pretty OK flow of games. LEGO City + Dragon Quest X (Japan) this month, probably Game & Wario next month, then hopefully Pikmin 3 in May, and Wii Fit U or Wonderful 101 in June going into fall where Nintendo revs up their bigger guns.

Vita, I'm still not seeing any semblance of a future lineup here. It seems like they blew their load in Japan already for the year and got a nice little surge, but what's next?

Both systems will be getting price cuts this year (count on it, especially with these dismal sales and the dropping yen) so that's a wash.

I don't know about 3D Mario, but I'd bet dollars to donughts that Mario Kart U and Wii Sports U are almost definitely guaranteed for fall 2013, Nintendo will divert all of Retro Studios to help EAD if that's what it takes to get Mario Kart done on time, they simply don't have a choice.

Though 3D Mario shouldn't really be out of the question either, the last game the main EAD Tokyo group did was Super Mario Galaxy 2 (a smaller sub team did Mario 3D Land), that will be 3 1/2 years from fall 2013, so they are overdue for a new game anyway.

Well said, except that I disagree that WiiU will be a colossal disappointment.  It could be, but Nintendo seems to be initiating the "3DS effect" in which case I think WiiU's sales are going to be a pleasant surprise this year.


The 3DS and Wii U are vastly different product. One has support and actual base appeal and one has neither. To top it all off, one also has massive competition already going and incoming. These are two incredibly different situations in two very different markets (don't anyone give me that nonsense that "consoles are consoles" and that handhelds and home consoles operate in the same market). You really can't see that?

I think that the Wii U sales will be anything but a pleasant surprise (if one wants it to succeed, that is). It will likely perform less than optimal if compared to anything but itself (and perhaps the Vita).

What you're missing is that the 3DS also has massive competition from mobile gaming.  While I'm the first to separate the essence of dedicated handheld gaming from smartphone/tablets, the simple undeniable fact remains that they both compete for people's time on the go.  The handheld market is a very difficult place to remain relevant in the west, and despite that, the 3DS has sold a respectable 8m+ in the US and nearly that much in Europe as well.

While PS3 and 360 will continue to have good sales this holiday, the new consoles from MSony will likely appeal to the hardcore fans, early adopters and eBay scalpers.  I think it's going to become apparent that the mass gamers will hold off until they become cheaper and their libraries more robust.  WiiU following the new games/price cut/Mario holiday combo that 3DS did is about all Nintendo can do at this point, but I think it will enjoy healthy sales because of it.



kupomogli said:

We're not really going to agree, but the reason I don't see the Wii U selling better if the Vita gets the price drop and the Wii U getting more than one of the announced games, is because the fanbase just isn't there.  Now Nintendo has their fanbase and then there are the hardcore gamers that are going to eventually purchase it, but the casual market that Nintendo drew in with the original Wii is no longer going to be there.  The casual market was interested in motion control because there wasn't any other system that you could do it on and it was unique(sort of,,) but this same non gaming customer base isn't going to be drawn to the Wii U regardless of how many Mario games are on the system.

The Vita actually has a chance at selling as the hardcore gamer isn't set on just Mario.  Not only do gamers have a chance to purchase the Wii U as a console, but also the PS4 and 360, so that right there would also be a deterrent and a portable would make more sense as the first to get over another console.  After spending $400 on a PS4 or NextBox, do you really think they want to spend another $300 on a Wii U when a Vita at $199 being a hand held and more exclusives might suit their needs better?  Doesn't mean they won't get a Wii U in the future, just means that at that time maybe one console is enough.

Another thing is that after reducing the price in Japan, developers seem to be announcing games left and right for the Vita, which is pretty surprising.  Most of these games actually cater to the niche RPG market.  Dragon's Crown has been announced a long time ago but has finally received a release date of July in Japan and August in the west.  Three Hyperdimension Neptunia titles, one a remake while two are new, and while I'd like for Compile Heart to stop making Vita games, I guess it adds to the library so eh, guess it's okay.  Atelier Totori and Meruru Plus, with Totori already having a release in the west for this year.  Ys4 remake, Valhalla Knights 3, Final Fantasy 10 HD, Final Fantasy 10-2 HD, and Muramasa Rebirth are also to be released this year.  The only ones that might not come out this year are the Neptunia games and Meruru in the west, but the rest have have pretty definite releases.  There are  also other games announced like Mind 0, and maybe others, but they have just like Hyperdimension Neptunia and the games announced on Nintendo Direct, they don't have release dates, so who knows when they're coming out.

If having Mario on the system was going to sell a massive amount of Wii Us, don't you think that there would be more Wii Us sold now?  It was a launch title afterall.  Super Smash Bros U though.  While it might not sell as much in the long run, I think it'll be the real system seller.  I think if the Wii U gets that this year the Wii U and Vita sales will be close, but Vita will still sell more.  Smash Bros fans and fighting game fans will pick it up.  It's probably the most fun fighter.

Yeah, we'll have to agree to disagree.  To address your point on Mario; NSMB Wii sold incredibly well, but notice how it released after the Wii had huge buzz, a big library, and nowhere near a $300/$350 price.  In the late 80s 2D Mario was a standard setting, genre creating game.  Today, it's more the kind of thing that many people buy, but not many buy a pricey, brand new console with few games for it alone.  However, add a bigger library (including Mario Kart, no less) and a price drop to the equation, and I think you'll see the WiiU and NSMBU perform nicely.

While there's no denying that the WiiU is struggling now, its (relatively) high price and lack of games are things that can be rectified.  I believe the problem is that people are just not interested yet.

Vita, on the other hand, already has a nice library of games but is just too much of a niche product to be able to succeed anywhere but Japan, and what could potentially be its flourishing market there will be stymied by the more successful 3DS.



This is the weirdest comparison I have seen on the charts. It makes no sense and there will not be meaningful comparison to the Wii U until several months after Sony and the 720 start the next gen.



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chocoloco said:

This is the weirdest comparison I have seen on the charts. It makes no sense and there will not be meaningful comparison to the Wii U until several months after Sony and the 360 start the next gen.



watttt?



tbone51 said:
chocoloco said:

This is the weirdest comparison I have seen on the charts. It makes no sense and there will not be meaningful comparison to the Wii U until several months after Sony and the 720 start the next gen.



watttt?

The only reason this comparison is made is because the PS4 and Durango are not out. Once the are out the Wii U will have something meaningful to compare it against. This is the the equivalent to who's got big balls? I got big balls. Because the two products are not created to directly compete against each other.



chocoloco said:
tbone51 said:
chocoloco said:

This is the weirdest comparison I have seen on the charts. It makes no sense and there will not be meaningful comparison to the Wii U until several months after Sony and the 720 start the next gen.



watttt?

The only reason this comparison is made is because the PS4 and Durango are not out. Once the are out the Wii U will have something meaningful to compare it against. This is the the equivalent to who's got big balls? I got big balls. Because the two products are not created to directly compete against each other.



ok, with the balls? Anyway this comparison is made because both are doing horrible at the moment and Vita cant compare to 3DS. Its just a simple Who will Sell more? This is the best Comparison anybody can do for Hardware. Cuz its going to be 3DS>PS3>X360>Wii U/Vita



tbone51 said:
chocoloco said:
tbone51 said:
chocoloco said:

This is the weirdest comparison I have seen on the charts. It makes no sense and there will not be meaningful comparison to the Wii U until several months after Sony and the 720 start the next gen.



watttt?

The only reason this comparison is made is because the PS4 and Durango are not out. Once the are out the Wii U will have something meaningful to compare it against. This is the the equivalent to who's got big balls? I got big balls. Because the two products are not created to directly compete against each other.



ok, with the balls? Anyway this comparison is made because both are doing horrible at the moment and Vita cant compare to 3DS. Its just a simple Who will Sell more? This is the best Comparison anybody can do for Hardware. Cuz its going to be 3DS>PS3>X360>Wii U/Vita

No in every realistic way the Vita is competing directly with the 3DS and the Wii U is directly competing against the PS3 and the 360. 



chocoloco said:
tbone51 said:
chocoloco said:
tbone51 said:
chocoloco said:

This is the weirdest comparison I have seen on the charts. It makes no sense and there will not be meaningful comparison to the Wii U until several months after Sony and the 720 start the next gen.



watttt?

The only reason this comparison is made is because the PS4 and Durango are not out. Once the are out the Wii U will have something meaningful to compare it against. This is the the equivalent to who's got big balls? I got big balls. Because the two products are not created to directly compete against each other.



ok, with the balls? Anyway this comparison is made because both are doing horrible at the moment and Vita cant compare to 3DS. Its just a simple Who will Sell more? This is the best Comparison anybody can do for Hardware. Cuz its going to be 3DS>PS3>X360>Wii U/Vita

No in every realistic way the Vita is competing directly with the 3DS and the Wii U is directly competing against the PS3 and the 360. 



yes i kno that, Console/Handheld. Im saying nobody compares vita sales to 3DS cuz there is no point