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Forums - Sony - PS4 not worth the cost says Nvidia (Read thread, not title)

TheFallen on 14 March 2013

In other words, nVidia were asking too high a price.



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Jaywood2010 on 14 March 2013
kowenicki said:
JayWood2010 said:
kowenicki said:
JayWood2010 said:
CGI-Quality said:
It's perplexing to think they would title the article that way, since this nViDiA rep doesn't say things in those harsh terms. This isn't against you, Jay, I saw this on a PC website with that title.


Gamespot was the ones who titled this.  It is basically Nvidia making an excuse for a big loss in my opinion.  Both NeXbox and PS4 will be using rival AMD chips which could potentially lose nvidia over 100m  units sold in the next 5 years

or AMD went cheap to win the contract and will have undersold themselves making bigger losses and going bust?  what then....?

That is a possibility as well but I think both the PS4 and NeXbox will be just fine in the graphics and power department.  No they wont be as powerful as PC's but they dont need to be either.  People want consoles to be a good price and Nvidia will make people charge an arm and a leg.  I love Nvidia, dont get me wrong.  I buy Nvidia for my computer but when it comes to consoles people are looking for good prices.  Also take into consideration developers will be devloping games with those specs in mind which will help power improve in games after launch as they learn more about the hardware.

That wasnt really my point.

The guy from NVidia is actually saying there wasn't enough margin for them. Thats fine, its a business decision.

It worries me a little that AMD, already struggling, would go in cheap to win a contract that may backfire if they have gone too cheap.  If they vanish what the hell happens then?


Ohhh i see now.  That is a good question actually.  I honestly don't know.  They could possibly buy the tech that is made for those chips???  I really dont have a clue to be honest.




       

justinian on 14 March 2013

AMD is "bigger" than Nvidia and has a far more diverse product line. Taking on Intel was never going to be easy and cost a hell of a lot.

The fact that every home console now (or rather will) has AMD tech should go somewhere in easing their financial worries one would think.



theprof00 on 14 March 2013

The best part about misleading titles is that it creates subversiveness in benefit of the 'victim'.
I know it's not your fault Jay. Bad article is bad, and it actually makes Sony look better - not just because it's a lying title, but also because it shows that Sony got the best possible price for their console.

And yes, Nvidia is mad.



Tachikoma on 14 March 2013
kowenicki said:
JayWood2010 said:
kowenicki said:
JayWood2010 said:
CGI-Quality said:
It's perplexing to think they would title the article that way, since this nViDiA rep doesn't say things in those harsh terms. This isn't against you, Jay, I saw this on a PC website with that title.


Gamespot was the ones who titled this.  It is basically Nvidia making an excuse for a big loss in my opinion.  Both NeXbox and PS4 will be using rival AMD chips which could potentially lose nvidia over 100m  units sold in the next 5 years

or AMD went cheap to win the contract and will have undersold themselves making bigger losses and going bust?  what then....?

That is a possibility as well but I think both the PS4 and NeXbox will be just fine in the graphics and power department.  No they wont be as powerful as PC's but they dont need to be either.  People want consoles to be a good price and Nvidia will make people charge an arm and a leg.  I love Nvidia, dont get me wrong.  I buy Nvidia for my computer but when it comes to consoles people are looking for good prices.  Also take into consideration developers will be devloping games with those specs in mind which will help power improve in games after launch as they learn more about the hardware.

That wasnt really my point.

The guy from NVidia is actually saying there wasn't enough margin for them. Thats fine, its a business decision.

It worries me a little that AMD, already struggling, would go in cheap to win a contract that may backfire if they have gone too cheap.  If they vanish what the hell happens then?

An element to keep in mind is that AMD does both GPU and CPU, nvidia don't make a system processor, combining the two on a single module reduces overall costs, if Sony and Microsoft went with nvidia they'd have to purchase a processor design seperately and not part of  a package deal, resulting in a lower overall offer for the GPU design to leave money for CPU.

resorting with an APU allows them to pump the whole funds which would otherwise have been split between cpu and gpu, into one package.



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Jaywood2010 on 14 March 2013
theprof00 said:
The best part about misleading titles is that it creates subversiveness in benefit of the 'victim'.
I know it's not your fault Jay. Bad article is bad, and it actually makes Sony look better - not just because it's a lying title, but also because it shows that Sony got the best possible price for their console.

And yes, Nvidia is mad.


To be honest I'm just glad people are reading the article instead of blaming me because that happens every once an a while.  BUt yeah I found it interesting myself and I'm glad Sony was able to cut the price down>  It shows they have learned something from this generation and pricing and that is a very good sign.




       

badgenome on 14 March 2013
Soleron said:
Then why did Nvidia poach the guy who negotiated both console deals from AMD

Maybe he sabotaged AMD from the inside before jumping ship!



justinian on 14 March 2013
JayWood2010 said:
theprof00 said:
The best part about misleading titles is that it creates subversiveness in benefit of the 'victim'.
I know it's not your fault Jay. Bad article is bad, and it actually makes Sony look better - not just because it's a lying title, but also because it shows that Sony got the best possible price for their console.

And yes, Nvidia is mad.


To be honest I'm just glad people are reading the article instead of blaming me because that happens every once an a while.  BUt yeah I found it interesting myself and I'm glad Sony was able to cut the price down>  It shows they have learned something from this generation and pricing and that is a very good sign.

For sure but I can't help thinking you can probably have a good career writing sensational headlines for a British tabloid :)



Jaywood2010 on 14 March 2013
justinian said:
JayWood2010 said:
theprof00 said:
The best part about misleading titles is that it creates subversiveness in benefit of the 'victim'.
I know it's not your fault Jay. Bad article is bad, and it actually makes Sony look better - not just because it's a lying title, but also because it shows that Sony got the best possible price for their console.

And yes, Nvidia is mad.


To be honest I'm just glad people are reading the article instead of blaming me because that happens every once an a while.  BUt yeah I found it interesting myself and I'm glad Sony was able to cut the price down>  It shows they have learned something from this generation and pricing and that is a very good sign.

For sure but I can't help thinking you can probably have a good career writing sensational headlines for a British tabloid :)


lol me?  This one is all gamespot




       

loy310 on 14 March 2013
Euphoria14 said:
Sounds like Sony shopped for the cheapest option.

That's good news for us.


No it ain't, Sony might not pass that cost saving on to us, I hope they do but most companies don't do that.... I am looking at you Apple.