For the guys saying that devs won't have full access to 8GB due to other processes, would you rather devs not have full access to 4GB in the same manner or offset that somewhat with 8GB? Think about it before making weird comments lol because more doesn't hurt other than maybe the console size and power draw :P

VGKing said: drkohler said: And the game on an Intel i3770K with GeForce Titan will run bells and whistles around the PS4. Kind of a no brainer. What does he even babble about "equivalent game" - does he know that equivalent essentially means "same performance"? Yeah. People praising PS4 are crazy. Most of us PC gamers have $5000 PCs that blow PS4 out of the water. Those with integrated graphics and mid-range PCs are in the minority.

I challenge you to build a 5000 dollar PC that actually makes human sense in order to beat a PS4 lol. I mean I know you are being sarcastic but no need to go overboard bro.

What Blow forgets is that unlike consoles PCs evolve and improve their hardware over time.

Sure, with the ability to code directly on metal (or almost)  on consoles their hardware can produce a lot more than what the same hardware can do on a PC, and in 4 years we'll see games running on the PS4/nextbox with better performace than on an actual mid-high end PC. But what he doesn't say is that PC hardware will keep improving and it won't be long before PCs outperform consoles, like always have happened.

JEMC said: What Blow forgets is that unlike consoles PCs evolve and improve their hardware over time. Sure, with the ability to code directly on metal (or almost)  on consoles their hardware can produce a lot more than what the same hardware can do on a PC, and in 4 years we'll see games running on the PS4/nextbox with better performace than on an actual mid-high end PC. But what he doesn't say is that PC hardware will keep improving and it won't be long before PCs outperform consoles, like always have happened.

The PC improving at long of the year is not that big like every PC gamer seems to be. The latest biggest graphical leap in PC was Crysis (2007) and after that what we saw was the console development holding the PC development.

In fact the best PC game to date - Crysis 3 (2013) - is only a little better than the original Crysis (2007).

Now with the PS4 and Nextbox... PC gamers will see a big graphical leap in the next years.

disolitude said: ethomaz said: Like I said... only guys with machines equipped with GPUs over the GTX 680/HD 7970 will run games better than PS4.... so ~2% of the PC gamer users. Every gamer developer always asked for more and fast RAM... 8GB GDDR5 give them that. In terms of memory, all modern PC GPUs have GDDR5 memory as fast as PS4, if not faster. For CPU tasks, it makes absolutely no differernce to have GDDR5 vs DDR3 memory as AMD's CPUs can't even put 2133 mhz DDR3 memory to use.  Secondly, GTX680/7970 power will be mid tier gaming cards for next gen of cards laucnhing this year. GTX 660ti = GTX 580 flagship from next gen in terms of performance. GTX 760 Ti should be 300 bucks and provide power of GTX680 by the time PS4 launches. Thirdly, PC gamers have much more options to harnes "power" from their systems. My buddy picked up 2 GTX 560s on sale for 99 each and set them up in SLI. That is more powerful than the PS4. Today you can pick up 2X 7850 and run them in crossfire for ~300 bucks and easily beat a 7970 in performance. Anyone that has a quadcore PC today, can spend the same money upgrading the PC as they will spend on a PS4 or 720 and have a more powerful and faster gaming system.

This is about the only thing I've read, in days, on this whole issue that makes any sense at all, because, hey!, it reflects reality, not Jonathan Blow's PR talking points and Sony fans desperate to (here we go again) believe that Sony's next machine will be Skynet. Again. Just like on PS2. And PSP. And PS3. And Vita...it never ends with these guys...they never learn...and thus the cycle continues.

Again.

ethomaz said: Now with the PS4 and Nextbox... PC gamers will see a big graphical leap in the next years.

Exactly. PC-gaming is tightly coupled to consoles, whether PC-gamers accept it or not. Shows how important PS4 and NextBox are for the whole industry. NVidia, AMD and Intel will most probably see a nice bump in sales when requirements for games will increase.

ethomaz said: JEMC said: What Blow forgets is that unlike consoles PCs evolve and improve their hardware over time. Sure, with the ability to code directly on metal (or almost)  on consoles their hardware can produce a lot more than what the same hardware can do on a PC, and in 4 years we'll see games running on the PS4/nextbox with better performace than on an actual mid-high end PC. But what he doesn't say is that PC hardware will keep improving and it won't be long before PCs outperform consoles, like always have happened. The PC improving at long of the year is not that big like every PC gamer seems to be. The latest biggest graphical leap in PC was Crysis (2007) and after that what we saw was the console development holding the PC development. In fact the best PC game to date - Crysis 3 (2013) - is only a little better than the original Crysis (2007). Now with the PS4 and Nextbox... PC gamers will see a big graphical leap in the next years.

True, but that hasn't stopped PC version games to be able to be played at higher resolutions (2560x1400, Eyefinity and Surrond) and at a higher framerate than the console version of those games with more AA and other effects.

The next consoles being more powerful will only mean that PC games will also look better and with time also run better.

I think you guys are overshooting the point here. He's not saying it will run better than any fricken liquid cooled, quad video card PC. But compared to a simuliarly equpped PC, PS4 will be faster. The PS4 will be equivalant to a higher spec PC then a typical a10 amd pc, because of the unified system ddr5 ram, and the lack of windows overhead. We will just have to wait to peg the PS4's equavalant PC specs, right?

Maybe you need to shut up and stop clicking on PS4 articles...

ethomaz said: If the early games looks like Killzone Shadow Fall then only high-enthusiastic PC will be better than PS4. I will see a lot of guys here eating crow like the same happened with Wii U power and GPU (only inverse to PS4).

Oh boy. A few months later and we can all laugh a this post :)