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walsufnir on 12 March 2013
VGKing said:
superchunk said:
I do think its unbalanced. But I think they went this route more for the non-gaming centric services such as always on video recording and video chat, etc.

I think all these 8GBRAM!!!!! screamers will be a bit tiffed when they realize how much of it is actually going to be available for games. (hint its not 8GB)

Well back when it was using 4GB, only 512MB were allocated to the OS according to rumors. So if we assume everything doubled then right now 7GB are for games and 1GB for OS. Compare that to the next XBox with points to 3GB being used for OS and only 5GB for games. Then there's the fact that it's only using DDR3 while PS4 is using GDDR5. No matter how you look at it, PS4 has the RAM advantage...

by current rumors. I don't see them using 3Gb RAM just for OS.



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ninjablade on 12 March 2013
VGKing said:
ninjablade said:

i'm not really sure but i keep hearing how expensive the ultra fast ram is, so i started thinking wouldn't it be cheaper if had they gone with a 2.5 gflops GPU and 4gb gddr5, wouldn't that make the system cheaper and give it better graphics, i just don't see how they could use the 8gb or even 4gb, the budget for the game would be insane.

No offense but you are very misinformed. Utilizing more RAM doesn't magically increase the budget. If anything, it reduces it. The more RAM a console has, the less man hours they have to spend trying to fit game assets into memory.

Another thing....Sony is buying RAM in bulk. For them to to upgrade from 4 to 8GB of GDDR5 it probably means they got a really good deal. They couldn't have upgraded the graphics card or the CPU since the PS4 is running on an APU. GPU/CPU were decided a long time ago and its impossible to change now without massive delalys. The only thing they can do this late is over/underclock these things.


I think you missed my point, think about this, look at what were getting from 360/ps3 with 512mb of slow ram, look at the budgets for the AAA games, now i'm sure 8gb will make a bit easier for developers, but will the games get a beneifit out of it, 3gb of ultra fast ram is enough to run any game on the most powerful gpu on highest settings on pc, now ps4 gpu is nice but its not omg amazing, its half the power of the most powerful gpu's, i thijnk a better gpu with 4gb of GDDR5 would have been better, but i'm still happy with the specs, considering it's probably gonna be the most powerful console.



dahuman on 12 March 2013
ninjablade said:
VGKing said:
ninjablade said:

i'm not really sure but i keep hearing how expensive the ultra fast ram is, so i started thinking wouldn't it be cheaper if had they gone with a 2.5 gflops GPU and 4gb gddr5, wouldn't that make the system cheaper and give it better graphics, i just don't see how they could use the 8gb or even 4gb, the budget for the game would be insane.

No offense but you are very misinformed. Utilizing more RAM doesn't magically increase the budget. If anything, it reduces it. The more RAM a console has, the less man hours they have to spend trying to fit game assets into memory.

Another thing....Sony is buying RAM in bulk. For them to to upgrade from 4 to 8GB of GDDR5 it probably means they got a really good deal. They couldn't have upgraded the graphics card or the CPU since the PS4 is running on an APU. GPU/CPU were decided a long time ago and its impossible to change now without massive delalys. The only thing they can do this late is over/underclock these things.


I think you missed my point, think about this, look at what were getting from 360/ps3 with 512mb of slow ram, look at the budgets for the AAA games, now i'm sure 8gb will make a bit easier for developers, but will the games get a beneifit out of it, 3gb of ultra fast ram is enough to run any game on the most powerful gpu on highest settings on pc, now ps4 gpu is nice but its not omg amazing, its half the power of the most powerful gpu's, i thijnk a better gpu with 4gb of GDDR5 would have been better, but i'm still happy with the specs, considering it's probably gonna be the most powerful console.

It will ease the development if nothing else. You will mostly like see games releasing faster because the don't have to optimize RAM usage so much anymore. The issue will really be the continuation of the 7th gen, which means the bigger and better, the more bugs will be there. If you think patching was bad on consoles in the 7th gen, I'd say welcome to the world of PCs, which consoles are more and more becoming, instead of worrying about how much RAM the PS4 will have.



brendude13 on 12 March 2013
superchunk said:
I do think its unbalanced. But I think they went this route more for the non-gaming centric services such as always on video recording and video chat, etc.

I think all these 8GBRAM!!!!! screamers will be a bit tiffed when they realize how much of it is actually going to be available for games. (hint its not 8GB)

I don't think they're that stupid. Just because they're hyped about 8GB of RAM doesn't mean they don't know how it is going to be utilised.



Solid-Stark on 12 March 2013

Not necessarily a mistake. I do think they can revise it to 4gb though.



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superchunk on 12 March 2013
VGKing said:
superchunk said:
I do think its unbalanced. But I think they went this route more for the non-gaming centric services such as always on video recording and video chat, etc.

I think all these 8GBRAM!!!!! screamers will be a bit tiffed when they realize how much of it is actually going to be available for games. (hint its not 8GB)

Well back when it was using 4GB, only 512MB were allocated to the OS according to rumors. So if we assume everything doubled then right now 7GB are for games and 1GB for OS. Compare that to the next XBox with points to 3GB being used for OS and only 5GB for games. Then there's the fact that it's only using DDR3 while PS4 is using GDDR5. No matter how you look at it, PS4 has the RAM advantage.

Considering none of the devs knew about 8GB until the Feb20th event, its just as likely as that entire extra 4GB was being reserved. Though I don't think it will be that much of course.



ninjablade on 12 March 2013
ethomaz said:
walsufnir said:


Oh, didn't read that. But the slide offers no news. Can you show me your initial post again?

The main talk is about 2.

ethomaz said:
1. Games in PC alredy uses 4GB RAM today (it is System RAM and VRAM... not only the 2GB of the video card)... What make yo thing PCs will not use 8GB in games in 4-5 years... PS4 needs to live all these years without modifications.

2. The PS4 GPU is suppose to have close 100% efficiency of the raw power... PC have avg. 50% efficiency of the raw power... this close 2TFLOPS on PS4 will peeform like 3TFLOPS GPUs on PC.

3. Devs are not idiots... they asked for 8GB RAM... thd fact didn't use that today is because there is no graphical leap in PC since the first Crysis in 2007... now with PS4 the PC games will have again a big graphical leap in the next years.

4. I'm the only impressed in how AMD and Sony put a HD 7870 equivalent GPU into a APU with a 8-core CPU? An APU with low parts is easy to make but with high parts like that is really impressive... put a even bigger GPU could be near impossible in a business perspective.

Conclusion: 4GB was a big mistake from Sony... I'm glad they fixed that bootleneck early.

Seems like only this guy agree with me .

you might be right, developers seem to be extremely happy about the 8gb of gddr5, and they keep saying its makes the console way more powerful.



VGKing on 12 March 2013
ninjablade said:
VGKing said:
ninjablade said:

i'm not really sure but i keep hearing how expensive the ultra fast ram is, so i started thinking wouldn't it be cheaper if had they gone with a 2.5 gflops GPU and 4gb gddr5, wouldn't that make the system cheaper and give it better graphics, i just don't see how they could use the 8gb or even 4gb, the budget for the game would be insane.

No offense but you are very misinformed. Utilizing more RAM doesn't magically increase the budget. If anything, it reduces it. The more RAM a console has, the less man hours they have to spend trying to fit game assets into memory.

Another thing....Sony is buying RAM in bulk. For them to to upgrade from 4 to 8GB of GDDR5 it probably means they got a really good deal. They couldn't have upgraded the graphics card or the CPU since the PS4 is running on an APU. GPU/CPU were decided a long time ago and its impossible to change now without massive delalys. The only thing they can do this late is over/underclock these things.


I think you missed my point, think about this, look at what were getting from 360/ps3 with 512mb of slow ram, look at the budgets for the AAA games, now i'm sure 8gb will make a bit easier for developers, but will the games get a beneifit out of it, 3gb of ultra fast ram is enough to run any game on the most powerful gpu on highest settings on pc, now ps4 gpu is nice but its not omg amazing, its half the power of the most powerful gpu's, i thijnk a better gpu with 4gb of GDDR5 would have been better, but i'm still happy with the specs, considering it's probably gonna be the most powerful console.

Most games this gen are built on consoles and ported to PC. Basically consoles are holding PC games back. Now that PS4 will have 8GB that will allow for bigger and better everything, even on PC.



Psyberius on 12 March 2013
ninjablade said:

i'm not really sure but i keep hearing how expensive the ultra fast ram is, so i started thinking wouldn't it be cheaper if had they gone with a 2.5 gflops GPU and 4gb gddr5, wouldn't that make the system cheaper and give it better graphics, i just don't see how they could use the 8gb or even 4gb, the budget for the game would be insane.

It's a mistake unless they thing they're going to keep pushing 200 year lifetimes for their consoles.

 

I think they're going to quickly find out that six years from now on it's going to be pushing it and in six years, 8gb gddr5 won't be necessary.



PScollector on 12 March 2013

Not a mistake, most devs wanted it.



 

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