Sony buys out Apple and Samsung confirmed.
Dmick90 said:
"Dow Jones Newswires briefly reports on an article from the Korea Economic Daily claiming that Apple is set to sign contracts that would see Samsung providing $7.8 billion in parts for Apple's mobile devices this year, making Apple Samsung's largest customer." Simple math tells us that more than a third of Samsung's profits come from Apple. Apple is a much more profitable company than Samsung. Samsung is bigger by revenue and assets but Apple is far bigger in profits. What Samsung makes on TVs, Computers, Galaxy phones/tablets, and refrigerators (lol) is peanuts compared to what Apple makes. Apple made double what Samsung made in profits for 2012. Many of those 80 different companies operate under the Samsung name as separate entities and are simply affiliates or alliances with other companies. The majority owned which are the subsidiaries, where most of the revenue and profits come from are Samsung Electronics, Samsung Life Insurance, Samsung Heavy Industries, etc. |
I see someone can't distinguish between revenue and profits. Take a business class before commenting on things you have no knowledge about. That $7.8 billion is for REVENUE, not profits. The profits Samsung makes from Apple's orders is probably less than $1 billion.
And as I said before, Samsung's $43 billion in profits from 30 of its 80 companies is greater than Apple's $41 billion. You apparently don't know how the Lee family has a giant web of stock ownership on all the "separate" Samsung entities.
kowenicki said:
yeah... because Apple's market cap is only $404 billon and Samsung is a hefty $204 billion ??? |
To be fair, Apple is just a company, Samsung is owned and controlled by the royal family and korean government.
“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.
GamersAreTrash said:
I see someone can't distinguish between revenue and profits. Take a business class before commenting on things you have no knowledge about. That $7.8 billion is for REVENUE, not profits. The profits Samsung makes from Apple's orders is probably less than $1 billion. And as I said before, Samsung's $43 billion in profits from 30 of its 80 companies is greater than Apple's $41 billion. You apparently don't know how the Lee family has a giant web of stock ownership on all the "separate" Samsung entities. |
Give me a source before spouting off bullsh.. Where does it say how much revenue or profits they make on parts? Let me guess Wikipedia right? Samsung made about $2 billion from the iPhone alone for Q4, and that's not even counting iPads or iPods. Maybe you need to take a math course. Maybe you can't tell the difference between quarterly profits and annual profits. Here's a breakdown of the Samsung parts: It costs $26 for the flash memory, about $12 for the RAM memory, and about $8 for the A4/A5/A6 processors. For a total of about 46 dollars in parts x 37 million iPhones sold in the 4th quarter = about $1,702,000. Which is near $2 billion. Add the 4 quarterly profits up and throw in the portion of iPad/iPod parts and you get near $8 billion in profits.
Here's my source: http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/apple-and-samsungs-symbiotic-relationship
Mind you that source is from Aug 2011 so Samsung's profits are much higher than that now as Apple sells more iPhones/iPads/iPods.
scottie said:
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The old man looks at him and points out the window, “See that dock out there? I built that dock with my own two hands, plank by plank, nail by nail, but do they call me Simon the dockbuilder? No,no." The old man continued, “And see that ship out there? I ’ve been fishing these waters for going on thirty-five years! but do they call me Simon the fisherman? No,no. ” The old man starts to cry again, “But you fuck one goat … ”
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ROFL. That is awesome.
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Dmick90 said:
Give me a source before spouting off bullsh.. Where does it say how much revenue or profits they make on parts? Let me guess Wikipedia right? Samsung made about $2 billion from the iPhone alone for Q4, and that's not even counting iPads or iPods. Maybe you need to take a math course. Maybe you can't tell the difference between quarterly profits and annual profits. Here's a breakdown of the Samsung parts: It costs $26 for the flash memory, about $12 for the RAM memory, and about $8 for the A4/A5/A6 processors. For a total of about 46 dollars in parts x 37 million iPhones sold in the 4th quarter = about $1,702,000. Which is near $2 billion. Add the 4 quarterly profits up and throw in the portion of iPad/iPod parts and you get near $8 billion in profits. Here's my source: http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/apple-and-samsungs-symbiotic-relationship Mind you that source is from Aug 2011 so Samsung's profits are much higher than that now as Apple sells more iPhones/iPads/iPods. |
BWAHAHAHAHA... Stupid iSheep logic: Yeah, I bought an Apple from a farmer for $1 and sold it for $2. I made a $2 profit from that apple... ROFL...
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2010/09/133_67730.html
Apple makes up less than 5% of Samsung's component sales. You're an imbecile if you actually think Samsung makes 1/3 of its profits from selling 5% of its parts to Apple. That $7.8 billion is revenue, not profit. Your article even said it was $7.8 billion in PARTS, moron. In case you can't comprehend simple logic, it means Samsung made $7.8 billion from selling its parts, but that figure doesn't include the cost to build the machines and buying the materials necessary to build the components. Again, take a damn business class before spouting nonsense.
Yeah, keep believing that selling a $2 apple after spending $1 to buy it from someone else means you get a profit of $2. LOL... I can't believe you actually said that.
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GamersAreTrash said:
BWAHAHAHAHA... Stupid iSheep logic: Yeah, I bought an Apple from a farmer for $1 and sold it for $2. I made a $2 profit from that apple... ROFL... http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2010/09/133_67730.html Apple makes up less than 5% of Samsung's component sales. You're an imbecile if you actually think Samsung makes 1/3 of its profits from selling 5% of its parts to Apple. That $7.8 billion is revenue, not profit. Your article even said it was $7.8 billion in PARTS, moron. In case you can't comprehend simple logic, it means Samsung made $7.8 billion from selling its parts, but that figure doesn't include the cost to build the machines and buying the materials necessary to build the components. Again, take a damn business class before spouting nonsense. Yeah, keep believing that selling a $2 apple after spending $1 to buy it from someone else means you get a profit of $2. LOL... I can't believe you actually said that. |
"BWAHAHAHAHA... Stupid iSheep logic." WTF dude? What are you like 14 years old? You're obviously an Apple hater/troll and should be reported. This will be my last post to you, so you can blow all the hot air you want when i'm done because I ain't responding.
Samsung controls the price for Apple parts, and have taken advantage of them. I said they make a third of their profits from Apple not revenue. Obviously revenue would be much, much higher than $7.8 billion dollars. Thought you were smart enough to realize that. Samsung is not a very profitable company to begin with but they are now thanks to Apple. Again back to my previous statement, I said Apple was a more profitable company. Did I not say it was $7.8 billion in parts? You make no sense of what you're saying. Pfff, you think Apple makes Samsung incur all the debts and costs of building materials and retooling machinery? All the chips are designed by Apple so they would be paying Samsung for building materials and machinery to make them as if they were building it themselves. Take a business class! Better yet, take an english class and learn to read.
And that source you gave me was from June of 2010! A little outdated don't you think? You can't even give me a decent, recent source, lol. Sony was at one time Samsung's biggest customer but not anymore. What other kind of nonsense are you gonna cook up for me? I thought you were Mr. business guy? Where is your data to back up your claims?
I like the strategy. It's really paid off with playstation in EU and other regions. The guts of the Vita would be cheap for them to produce as they already have production going and of comparable specification to most phones on the market. Were they to chop off the buttons and price it at 179.99 they could seriously have a profitable contender in this market context. Android is supposed to be getting back touch input
I can't believe they are serious about buying Apple or Samsung though.
Dmick90 said:
"BWAHAHAHAHA... Stupid iSheep logic." WTF dude? What are you like 14 years old? You're obviously an Apple hater/troll and should be reported. This will be my last post to you, so you can blow all the hot air you want when i'm done because I ain't responding. Samsung controls the price for Apple parts, and have taken advantage of them. I said they make a third of their profits from Apple not revenue. Obviously revenue would be much, much higher than $7.8 billion dollars. Thought you were smart enough to realize that. Samsung is not a very profitable company to begin with but they are now thanks to Apple. Again back to my previous statement, I said Apple was a more profitable company. Did I not say it was $7.8 billion in parts? You make no sense of what you're saying. Pfff, you think Apple makes Samsung incur all the debts and costs of building materials and retooling machinery? All the chips are designed by Apple so they would be paying Samsung for building materials and machinery to make them as if they were building it themselves. Take a business class! Better yet, take an english class and learn to read. And that source you gave me was from June of 2010! A little outdated don't you think? You can't even give me a decent, recent source, lol. Sony was at one time Samsung's biggest customer but not anymore. What other kind of nonsense are you gonna cook up for me? I thought you were Mr. business guy? Where is your data to back up your claims? |
Oh god, you really are a moron. Manufacturing is NOT a high margin business, kid. TSMC, the biggest manufacturer in the world, only makes $4 billion in profit. How the hell can Samsung, which is the THIRD biggest manufacturer in the world make $7.8 billion in profits with just ONE of their clients? It makes no sense and clearly, logical reasoning isn't one of your strong suit.
"Again back to my previous statement, I said Apple was a more profitable company." No, it isn't. $43 billion > $41 billion. Go back to your 5th grade math class and learn how to count.
"Pfff, you think Apple makes Samsung incur all the debts and costs of building materials and retooling machinery?"
That's what the manufacturer does, idiot. Manufacturers do all the R&D and build the machines and go around to clients to sell them the tech they invented. Furthermore, the price that Samsung charges Apple Apple is BASED on the cost to build the machines and the R&D.
"ll the chips are designed by Apple so they would be paying Samsung for building materials and machinery to make them as if they were building it themselves. Take a business class! Better yet, take an english class and learn to read."
Apple designs their chips much like you design your pizza from dominos. It's still Samsung's tech. Apple only names specs. Manufacturing machines are SPECIFIC. If Apple engineered a new chip design, Samsung would need to build a machine specifically to follow Apple's blueprints. Manufacturers engineer chips. Consumer electronics company like Apple only buy the chips.
"And that source you gave me was from June of 2010! A little outdated don't you think? You can't even give me a decent, recent source, lol. Sony was at one time Samsung's biggest customer but not anymore. What other kind of nonsense are you gonna cook up for me? I thought you were Mr. business guy? Where is your data to back up your claims?"
Where are YOUR sources? Your source listed $7.8 billion in parts (I'm arguing that's revenue). My source, which is a little over 2 years ago, said Apple makes up less than 5% of Samsung's orders. Do you think it's even remotely possible that Apple went from <4% to > 50% in a matter of 2 YEARS? Are you that dumb?
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More proof that the iSheep above is a moron:
"http://www.businessinsider.com/berenberg-samsung-apple-2013-3"
"Samsung’s handset profit was $15bn last year..."
Samsung Electronic's profit for 2012: $22 billion
So is that moron really saying Samsung only makes money off of phones and manufacturing for Apple? LOL...
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