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CrazzyMan on 27 January 2008

@dtewi,

Graphics don't make a game amazing Crazzy.
IT makes appeal to CASUALS -> http://www.gametrailers.com/player/28974.html
So you DON'T know that these games will sell PS3 yet you say they will. You have no idea yet you're forcing it on other people.
I REALLY know, that these exclusive games WILL SELL PS3.
ALSO it has RELEASE gams and PSN. Most casuals don't use internet. So only 75-90 games are worth mentioning, and at least 1/2 are bad.(LOL - sony hater) Only 1/4 are good.
The PlayStation Network's success in Europe has been a surprise to David Reeves, President of SCEE. In an interview he reveals "We’ve now got about 2 million PSN registrations. That’s about 40 per cent of users." Which means that, using his figures, approximately 5 million PlayStation 3 consoles have been sold in Europe.
AND that is without HOME.

@Avinash_Tyagi,
Most already have look at sales of Ratchet and Clank on PS3, very low, compared to other R&C games, they've already abandoned it.
DREAM ON.
Ratchet and Clank PS2 - 2.93m It came by the end of 2002, with 43 mln. ps2 sold.
Ratchet:ToD - 0.75m it came by the end of 2007, with 9 mln. sold.
If you expect 0.75 coppies with 43 mln. PS3 sold, then you are fool.



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

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Gnizmo on 27 January 2008
CrazzyMan said:

@Avinash_Tyagi,

Sure, but most of those 80 million are going to go to Wii as well,
Online, PSN games, HOME -> that will appeal to casuals, PS2 didn`t have that.
AND how MANY PS2 users will JUMP for the Wii JUST because of CONTROLS? HoW many Casuals will ABANDON their favourite PS2 SERIES(Tekken, socom, jak, ratchet, final fantasy and etc.) for Wii? 80-90% of PS2 userbase? DREAM ON.


 Ratchet is already out and it failed to move a lot of consoles. People are giving up on their favorite PS2 games already. The cost of the PS3 is simply too high. The competing consoles are and always will be significantly less expensive. The casuals will move on.



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elendar on 27 January 2008

nope



CrazzyMan on 27 January 2008

@Gnizmo,
Every game wil ADD 1-3k for weekly sales after it`s release.
20 Games - +20-60k weekly.
Why do you think PS3 outsold x360 in Decemeber? Because of Uncharted, Rathcet, Heavenly Sword, Folklore, UT3, Warhawk and etc.

The competing consoles are and always will be significantly less expensive.
just like xbox and ps2? xbox costed more to produce, and when ps2 went to 199$, xbox also did. You FAIL.



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

Avinash_Tyagi on 27 January 2008
CrazzyMan said:
@dtewi,
Graphics don't make a game amazing Crazzy.
IT makes appeal to CASUALS -> http://www.gametrailers.com/player/28974.html
So you DON'T know that these games will sell PS3 yet you say they will. You have no idea yet you're forcing it on other people.
I REALLY know, that these exclusive games WILL SELL PS3.
ALSO it has RELEASE gams and PSN. Most casuals don't use internet. So only 75-90 games are worth mentioning, and at least 1/2 are bad.(LOL - sony hater) Only 1/4 are good.
The PlayStation Network's success in Europe has been a surprise to David Reeves, President of SCEE. In an interview he reveals "We’ve now got about 2 million PSN registrations. That’s about 40 per cent of users." Which means that, using his figures, approximately 5 million PlayStation 3 consoles have been sold in Europe.
AND that is without HOME.

@Avinash_Tyagi,
Most already have look at sales of Ratchet and Clank on PS3, very low, compared to other R&C games, they've already abandoned it.
DREAM ON.
Ratchet and Clank PS2 - 2.93m It came by the end of 2002, with 43 mln. ps2 sold.
Ratchet:ToD - 0.75m it came by the end of 2007, with 9 mln. sold.
If you expect 0.75 coppies with 43 mln. PS3 sold, then you are fool.

 I thought you were saying that people would flock to their favorite games, why didn't they buy PS3's to play it?



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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Gnizmo on 27 January 2008
CrazzyMan said:
@Gnizmo,
Every game wil ADD 1-3k for weekly sales after it`s release.
20 Games - +20-60k weekly.
Why do you think PS3 outsold x360 in Decemeber? Because of Uncharted, Rathcet, Heavenly Sword, Folklore, UT3, Warhawk and etc.

 And that only applies to PS3 games? Wii games and 360 games don't increase sales at all? Bullshit. The reason it outsold the Xbox 360 in december is because it was fresh off a price cut, and even then it was close most weeks. Why did it fail to outsell the Wii in any market?

The competing consoles are and always will be significantly less expensive.
just like xbox and ps2? xbox costed more to produce, and when ps2 went to 199$, xbox also did. You FAIL.

Just like when they cut the price to $500 MS cut it to $350. Funny thing anout your scenario is that the roles have reversed now. PS3 is still being sold at a loss while the 360 is apparently making money now. Oh and then there is the Wii that has been profitable since the get go and has only gotten cheaper to make. I wonder if it can afford a price drop...

 And, as a final blow here, you might notice another connection in your comparison. The PS2 (best selling system on the market) continued to outsell the Xbox despite the Xbox having better graphics. Do you think that there is a parallel in the current gen? It would mean the most popular console isn't the strongest but can continue to dominate despite a technically superior console being a similar price. I wonder which two consoles we could compare...



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HappySqurriel on 27 January 2008

CrazzyMan, the Resident Evil and Starwars Rogue Squadren games for the Gamecube were considered graphically better than anything the PS2 ever produced; in fact, many people saw the Resident Evil games in commercials or on display and thought they were pre-rendered movies. Why didn't people rush out to buy the Gamecube with games like this available for it?

 

Secondly, quoting one sentence and ignoring the argument is called 'taking a quote out of context' and is considered a highly dishonest way of arguing.



CrazzyMan on 27 January 2008

@Avinash_Tyagi,

I thought you were saying that people would flock to their favorite games, why didn't they buy PS3's to play it?
Why is that bad/wrong to wait 299$ PRICE And then BUY???

@Gnizmo,
And that only applies to PS3 games? Wii games and 360 games don't increase sales at all? Bullshit. The reason it outsold the Xbox 360 in december is because it was fresh off a price cut, and even then it was close most weeks. Why did it fail to outsell the Wii in any market?

Maybe because 250$ and 400-500$ price? Difference between 350-400 and 450-500$ is MUCH less, then between 250 and 400/500$. USE your BRAIN.

Wii for now have only 2 Big exclusive BRAND tittles, while ps3 in 2008 will have over 10, x360 also 3-4 games only.
PS3 is still being sold at a loss while the 360 is apparently making money now.
PS3 cost less then 400$ to produce, you FAIL again.
And, as a final blow here, you might notice another connection in your comparison. The PS2 (best selling system on the market) continued to outsell the Xbox despite the Xbox having better graphics. Do you think that there is a parallel in the current gen?
xbox din`t have THAT good graphics - http://www.gametrailers.com/player/28974.html REAL life or CGI level.
Neither x360 has.

@HappySqurriel,
CrazzyMan, the Resident Evil and Starwars Rogue Squadren games for the Gamecube were considered graphically better than anything the PS2 ever produced; in fact, many people saw the Resident Evil games in commercials or on display and thought they were pre-rendered movies. Why didn't people rush out to buy the Gamecube with games like this available for it?
NOT ONE great games SELL console. 10-20 GREAT BRAND games sell.
Secondly, quoting one sentence and ignoring the argument is called 'taking a quote out of context' and is considered a highly dishonest way of arguing.
Then consider EVERY WORD, that you write. Or don`t write it at all.



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

Avinash_Tyagi on 27 January 2008

Why is that bad/wrong to wait 299$ PRICE And then BUY???


If its about price then why wouldn't they just get a Wii?



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Gnizmo on 27 January 2008

Maybe because 250$ and 400-500$ price? Difference between 350-400 and 450-500$ is MUCH less, then between 250 and 400/500$. USE your BRAIN.

Wii for now have only 2 Big exclusive BRAND tittles, while ps3 in 2008 will have over 10, x360 also 3-4 games only.


Really? So We have Smash Brothers Brawl, Mario Party 9, Mario Kart, Zelda Wii, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Tales of Symphonia: Knights of the something, Wii Fit, Wii Music, Okami, Monster Hunter 3 and Baroque in addition to other unnannounced games and all of that is 2 games. Gotcha.

I also don't get your point aboput the price difference. Yes, the 360 is a lot closer in price to the PS3 than the Wii but that is not relevant to any point I was making. Xbox 360 exclusives can still have the same effect as a PS3 or Wii exclusive.

PS3 cost less then 400$ to produce, you FAIL again.


You like to use that word fail, but perhaps you don't understand what it means. It means that I would not have succeeded. However, Sony has come out and said the PS3 costs about $400 to make very recently. That is not the price they sell it at of course. They sell it to retailers for around $350 I would guess, but I could see less honestly. My gut tells me as low as $320. There are a lot of shipping costs involved as well as over head for factories to make the thing which count against it for being profitable.

xbox din`t have THAT good graphics - http://www.gametrailers.com/player/28974.html REAL life or CGI level.
Neither x360 has


Irrelevant to the point I am making. People will not automatically go to the highest power console. This has historically been true and will continue to be true well into the future. It will take a lot more than a similar price to make the PS3 sell more than the Wii. Honestly, I am pretty sure it will take more than a handful of killer games too. If Goldeneye, Ocarina of Time, and Mario 64 couldn't save a system I don't know what can.



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