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CrazzyMan said:

@azrm2k, Online, PSN games, HOME -> that will appeal to casuals, PS2 didn`t have that.
AND how MANY PS2 users will JUMP for the Wii JUST because of CONTROLS? HoW many Casuals will ABANDON their favourite PS2 SERIES(Tekken, socom, jak, ratchet and etc.) for Wii? 80-90% of PS2 userbase? DREAM ON.
Do you KNOW HOW BIG LBP SUCCESS will be? Do you REALLY KNOW?


 Lots.  I spoke to some of my own friends who love the Wii and they love how it's simpler to play than the PS3/360.  You want to swing the bat in Wii Sports? No need to figure out which button to press and how to hold the joystick up/down for a power/contact swing.  Just swing the wiimote like a real bat!  Doesn't seem like such a big reason to us but to them that's huge.  

Another one of your biggest misconceptions is above.  80-90% of the PS2 userbase didn't play those games.  Once you realize that you will realize how many of your arguments sound absurd.  You repeatedly mention how fans of certain PS2 games will move on to the PS3.  Even if 75% of Tekken or Ratchet fans go onto the PS3 it won't hit 80 million just off of that alone. The highest selling Ratchet couldn't hit 3 million.  Tekken came close to 7 on the original PS but on PS2 they couldn't even hit 4!  Even if those userbases have no overlap whatsoever you're talking about a small fraction of the PS2 userbase.  All of the Tekken and Ratchet and SOCOM fans could converge to the PS3 and that still won't guarantee 100 million.



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weezy said:
What most fail to understand is how many ps2's each consumer bought.

I had to buy 2 and I knew many ppl who bought 3 because ps2 was an absolute fragile device.

So the numbers for ps2 are inflated by atleast 1.5x IMO

 And then there are folks like me that only bought 1 and still have it nearly 6 years later in daily use. I don't know a single person who had to replace theirs either, so those "statistics" fail imo.



CrazzyMan. Blu-Ray will not drive sales. If DVD only sold about 1/3-1/2 of PS2 sales what makes you think it can sell 100 million PS3s?

The games will not sell PS3. They are niche games. Niche means they only appeal to a certain market. PS2 was bought because it was casual. PS3 isn't casual. An expensive HD gaming device with little casual games. Yeah I can REALLY see all of the casuals rushing out to buy one.

Loyalty will not drive sales. Sega. Nintendo. Do these sound familiar?



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@HappySqurriel, have ANY console BEFORE reached REAL LIFE or CGI graphics level?
About games, yeah, we will see "no interest". =))

@Avinash_Tyagi, just name them, i will help you.
2008 - Afrika, singstar, buzz, LBP, enochnronome, Nobi Nobi Boy.
And these are only exclusive games, which i only KNOW.
Now, continue,
2009 -
2010 -
2011 -
2012 -
Also, you FREE to COMPARE with Wii games, which will came in same years.



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2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

Mummelmann said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
CrazzyMan said:
So what, ps2 sales doesn`t disturb ps3 to reach 100 mln.
PS3 is better then PS2 in all ways. Why it should sell less? Just because of 12-14 mln. REAL x360 owners?
or maybe because of Wii, which can`t offer HD gaming and appeal to different people?
i see MANY PSWii owners in this generation, and MUCH less Wii60.

It is not better in the one place it needs to be, library diversity, it lacks the casual appeal of the PS2, and the even greater appeal of the Wii


 The PS2 had no casual appeal, you said so yourself.

I do agree that the library is still falling short for very big sales though. It is important in a console such as that. 


 No I said it had casual gamer appeal, the guys who like to buy sports titles and such, I said that Wii goes further and gets the nongamer casual, you know, the people who never gamed before or gve up gaming



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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CrazzyMan said:
@Devilstation, so you think, people don`t care about stunning graphics anymore? =))
And you wouldn`t buy PS3 for 199$ to play such gorgeousness? =)) AND that is only 2nd year life PS3 games. What will be there in 2009-2012 do you know? =))
gow2 is AWESOME and came only in 2007 or only after 7 years since PS2 launch. FFXII was also awesome for many people, came only after 6 years.

 

What? I think you are speaking to the wrong person lol

I never said any of this... And just to let you know:

 

-I care about 'stunning graphics'

-PS3 is my favourite Next gen console of the 3

-I would be willing to pay £300/$600 for one with BC (only 40gb available in EU).

-I will buy a PS3 with no BC for £300/$600 if BC is not re-introduced by MGS4

-my profile shows my wishlist of

MY 'MUST HAVE' GAMES A-Z (When I Get A PS3)
Dynasty Warriors 6
Getaway
Gran Turismo 5
Grand Theft Auto IV
Final Fantasy Versus XIII
Final Fantasy XIII
Killzone 2
Little Big Planet
Metal Gear Solid 4
Playstation Home (not a game, but can't wait)
Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction (RELEASED)
Resident Evil 5
Resistance 2
Uncharted Drakes Fortune (RELEASED)

As you can see i am NOT a PS3 hater, lmfao

 

I also plan on getting a Wii. I love Zelda games, and i am highly addited to playing with the new controls in games like Wii sports.


I cannot believe i have been called a PS3 fan/Wii hater and a Wii fan/PS3 hater in the same page of a thread!

I am a gamer, I play games I like!



 

I say it will, the PS3 is amazing in HD. Most people are jumping to HD.



 

 2008 end of year predictions:

PS3: 22M

360: 25M

wii: 40M

CrazzyMan said:
@HappySqurriel, have ANY console BEFORE reached REAL LIFE or CGI graphics level?
About games, yeah, we will see "no interest". =))

@Avinash_Tyagi, just name them, i will help you.
2008 - Afrika, singstar, buzz, LBP, enochnronome, Nobi Nobi Boy.
And these are only exclusive games, which i only KNOW.
Now, continue,
2009 -
2010 -
2011 -
2012 -
Also, you FREE to COMPARE with Wii games, which will came in same years.

 And like I said those aren't many, you named 6 titles that doesn't give a large diverse library 



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

CrazzyMan said:
@HappySqurriel, have ANY console BEFORE reached REAL LIFE or CGI graphics level?
About games, yeah, we will see "no interest". =))

@Avinash_Tyagi, just name them, i will help you.
2008 - Afrika, singstar, buzz, LBP, enochnronome, Nobi Nobi Boy.
And these are only exclusive games, which i only KNOW.
Now, continue,
2009 -
2010 -
2011 -
2012 -
Also, you FREE to COMPARE with Wii games, which will came in same years.

Did gamers care when SNK's Neo-Geo was far more powerful and produced nicer graphics than the SNES?
Did gamers care when Nintendo's N64 was far more powerful and produced nicer graphics than the Playstation?
Did gamers care when Microsoft's XBox was far more powerful and produced nicer graphics than the PS2?

Gamers (in general) simply don't care ...

In a lot of ways the graphical advantage of the Neo-Geo or N64 was as large (or larger) than the graphical advantage of the PS3, and yet people picked the system with the worse graphics mainly because it had a larger library of games to play games which most people on this site would consider crap.



@HappySqurriel,

So people are going to buy an expensive piece of hardware to play something which is less flexible or established as something they can already play for free?
299$ is just 50$ more then Wii price.
199$ aven 50$ less.

@azrm2k,
80-90% of the PS2 userbase didn't play those games.
ALL OF`COURSE NOT.
20% played Gran tursimo 3 and 4.
OTHER 10% played FFX and FFX-2, FFXII.
PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT TASTES. THEY BUY DIFFERENT GAMES.
why you don`t REALIZE THAT?
Casuals DON`T buy 20 games per year. They Buy 3-4 games per year. One buys FF, OTHER buy MGS, and OTHER buy NFS, and OTHER takken, and OTHER socom. DIFFERENT.

@dtewi,
The games will not sell PS3.
Add to your signature, PLZ. =)
4 000 000 PS3 for 600$ Does this sound familiar to you?



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2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far