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walsufnir on 27 February 2013
YukanaSenix said:
theprof00 said:
there isnt even a reliable 360 emulator...


Im pretty sure Sony isn't thinking this time they can't get hacked and won't run around and say "We are undestroyable"
With the PC architecture of the PS4 is will probably be easier to hack the console but at the same time they look into anti piracy technology as some Patents show.The Loading Time stuff is probably one of many ideas.
Emulators won't be out for the next 10-15 years probably cause as you said there isn't even a 360 Emulator and won't be for a long time.
The PS4 is as strong as a HighEnd PC/capable of putting out graphics like them...If we even can't emulate a 360 right now after 7 years of this Gen we surely won't see a powerhouse like the PS4 getting emulated.Probably not even the NextBox will be able to see an emulator.Those times are mostly over.
But im sure we will see a WiiU Emulator - A tablet or so will be used as the screenpart.Technology will find a way.

Mostly true except the part that PS4 is as strong as a HighEnd PC - the current PC hardware isn't utilized by current games but is definitely way more capable than PS4.



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ishiki on 27 February 2013
walsufnir said:
ishiki said:
walsufnir said:
ishiki said:

Yeah, like others in this thread, imo it's highly more likely we'll see, a PS4 emulator before a PS3 emulator. That doesn't mean easy. There's still many issues with PS2 emulator,

The other big thing, is that there has to be an active community wanting a large amount of games for it to be worth it. For instance, Dolphin and PS2 has many many many games, PC doesn't have that are desired. While the Xbox, particularly the first one, has a few, panzer dragoon, ninja gaiden, etc. But not to the extent wii, gc, or PS2 have.


First, again, there will never be a PS4-emulator but there could be software that enables a PC to run PS4-games. I know the difference is hard to see for people but there is a difference.

Your "other big thing": So you say that there is no XBOX-"emulator" is because of the games? Then why is there an ATARI Jaguar emulator? A 3DO emulator? Even a Virtualboy emulator has been written. The API-Wrapper for XBOX is just a huge amount of work and would require to know the dev-tools by MS completely.

Read here, for example: http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/xbox/cxbx.html

"Cxbx
This may not actually be an emulator to some people but everyone considers it one. Cxbx's goal is to convert a game from an Xbox executable to a native Windows executable.
This may sound bold but it's already happening and in theory it's quite possible." While not exactly true (convert means wrapping the calls at runtime in this case) you should get the idea.

Because those are much simpler in architecture.  The community is much bigger. For instance, there were xbox emulators like http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/xbox/xeon.html, that could partially play halo, but they never evolved. While the PS2 ones did.

 

It wasn't the software part that was complicated, it was the software part.

what that part makes no sense?

EDIT: Much more succinct

also http://www.ngemu.com/forums/showthread.php?s=655632c9be938743c0c471a2c3f1242c&t=132032



Turkish on 27 February 2013

People talk about PS4 emulation... Where is the Xbox 360 emulator for pc?

The PS4 will have a better security than PS3, the console will have more online functions so when they detect pirated content they'll lock and ban your console out of the PSN.



walsufnir on 27 February 2013
Turkish said:
People talk about PS4 emulation... Where is the Xbox 360 emulator for pc?

The PS4 will have a better security than PS3, the console will have more online functions so when they detect pirated content they'll lock and ban your console out of the PSN.


There will never be a classical PS4 emulator as we know emulators by now.

 

The Security will be better but will not neccessarily prevent pirated games. First XBOX' security was never hacked and X360 neither, yet both "allow" pirated games. And banning does not prevent people to play pirated games, especially when always-online is not required.



GribbleGrunger on 27 February 2013

You won't need emulation to play PS4 games on a PC. You'll use Gaikai.



 

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Turkish on 27 February 2013
walsufnir said:
Turkish said:
People talk about PS4 emulation... Where is the Xbox 360 emulator for pc?

The PS4 will have a better security than PS3, the console will have more online functions so when they detect pirated content they'll lock and ban your console out of the PSN.


There will never be a classical PS4 emulator as we know emulators by now.

 

The Security will be better but will not neccessarily prevent pirated games. First XBOX' security was never hacked and X360 neither, yet both "allow" pirated games. And banning does not prevent people to play pirated games, especially when always-online is not required.


That is true, however next consoles will be more social, people wll be more connected, imagine being accustomed to uploading gameplay vids of CoD, then a hack comes out for PS4, you decide to pirate games and you get banned. Not being able to upload those no scope trickz and montagez will matter a lot I think.



animegaming on 27 February 2013
GribbleGrunger said:
You won't need emulation to play PS4 games on a PC. You'll use Gaikai.


and this solves piracy how? 



walsufnir on 27 February 2013
Turkish said:
walsufnir said:
Turkish said:
People talk about PS4 emulation... Where is the Xbox 360 emulator for pc?

The PS4 will have a better security than PS3, the console will have more online functions so when they detect pirated content they'll lock and ban your console out of the PSN.


There will never be a classical PS4 emulator as we know emulators by now.

 

The Security will be better but will not neccessarily prevent pirated games. First XBOX' security was never hacked and X360 neither, yet both "allow" pirated games. And banning does not prevent people to play pirated games, especially when always-online is not required.


That is true, however next consoles will be more social, people wll be more connected, imagine being accustomed to uploading gameplay vids of CoD, then a hack comes out for PS4, you decide to pirate games and you get banned. Not being able to upload those no scope trickz and montagez will matter a lot I think.


Well, we have to see how people wil accept that consoles get more social. I know I won't be doing it :) But you can still buy 2 consoles: One for online-gaming and other stuff and the hacked one for playing the sp-campaign. A lot of people I know do exactly this with thier x360.

Let's hope hacking is not successful too early...



GribbleGrunger on 27 February 2013
animegaming said:
GribbleGrunger said:
You won't need emulation to play PS4 games on a PC. You'll use Gaikai.


and this solves piracy how? 

I wasn't addressing the piracy issue, just the need for an emulator. Piracy won't be any were near as prevelant though because Gaikai won't be THAT expensive. Then taking PS+ into consideration, also makes it less likely.



 

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ethomaz on 27 February 2013
ishiki said:

Ofcourse in theory since the PS4 is X86, you wouldn't have to emulate the CPU instructions. You could run the software a different way than traditional emulators like you said atleast the cpu.

There is emulation yet... the CPU and GPU can be not emulate because it's the same arch but the memory access and the others specifics units have to be emulated. But it's way more easy than emulate the PS3 Cell.