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osed125 on 26 February 2013
theprof00 said:
there isnt even a reliable 360 emulator...

But you can play pirated games on the system. Downside is that MS somehow knows you have a modified system so you can (and probably will) get permaban from Live, the only way to play on Live again is to get a new system, but you can play single player without a problem. 



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theprof00 on 26 February 2013
osed125 said:
theprof00 said:
there isnt even a reliable 360 emulator...

But you can play pirated games on the system. Downside is that MS somehow knows you have a modified system so you can (and probably will) get permaban from Live, the only way to play on Live again is to get a new system, but you can play single player without a problem. 

well that's different from OP though.

You still can't play pirated games on the ps3, only a specific model type or two were able, and only if not updated.

MS did a pretty bad job of protecting the system, but my point is simply that it doesn't just take "a few years" for emulators to run on computers. It takes sometimes a gen or more.



osed125 on 26 February 2013
theprof00 said:
osed125 said:
theprof00 said:
there isnt even a reliable 360 emulator...

But you can play pirated games on the system. Downside is that MS somehow knows you have a modified system so you can (and probably will) get permaban from Live, the only way to play on Live again is to get a new system, but you can play single player without a problem. 

well that's different from OP though.

You still can't play pirated games on the ps3, only a specific model type or two were able, and only if not updated.

MS did a pretty bad job of protecting the system, but my point is simply that it doesn't just take "a few years" for emulators to run on computers. It takes sometimes a gen or more.

The OP says emulate or hack. Playing pirated games is part of the system being hack. I don't expect to see a PS4 emulator anytime soon (if ever) but the point is that because of very similar architecture to the PC this job will be "easier" (that goes for both playing pirated games and the emulator).



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theprof00 on 26 February 2013
osed125 said:
theprof00 said:
osed125 said:
theprof00 said:
there isnt even a reliable 360 emulator...

But you can play pirated games on the system. Downside is that MS somehow knows you have a modified system so you can (and probably will) get permaban from Live, the only way to play on Live again is to get a new system, but you can play single player without a problem. 

well that's different from OP though.

You still can't play pirated games on the ps3, only a specific model type or two were able, and only if not updated.

MS did a pretty bad job of protecting the system, but my point is simply that it doesn't just take "a few years" for emulators to run on computers. It takes sometimes a gen or more.

The OP says emulate or hack. Playing pirated games is part of the system being hack. I don't expect to see a PS4 emulator anytime soon (if ever) but the point is that because of very similar architecture to the PC this job will be "easier" (to goes for both playing pirated games and the emulator).

oh sorry. His video is strictly about emulating which is what confused me.
Sony apparently has an arsenal of ways to deal with hacking judging by the many many patents filed over the last many moons.



ethomaz on 26 February 2013
Otakumegane said:
osed125 said:
ethomaz said:

PS4 will be even harder to hack/emulate than PS3... Sony learned a lot about security this gen.

What help the PS3 was the cell. The PS4 doesn't have that advantage.


Usually how far along during a console's life cycle does an emulator develop?

For a console like PS4? Well I think it will be before the end of life of PS4 because PS4 is PC arch based but for a console like PS3? I can't see any Cell emulation on recents CPUs... so at least 10 years in the future... even Sony can't emulate Cell now.



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theprof00 on 26 February 2013
ethomaz said:
Otakumegane said:
osed125 said:
ethomaz said:

PS4 will be even harder to hack/emulate than PS3... Sony learned a lot about security this gen.

What help the PS3 was the cell. The PS4 doesn't have that advantage.


Usually how far along during a console's life cycle does an emulator develop?

For a console like PS4? Well I think it will be before the end of life of PS4 because PS3 is PC arch based but for a console like PS3? I can't see any Cell emulation on recents CPUs... so at least 10 years in the future... even Sony can't emulate Cell now.

haha The man has a point



osed125 on 27 February 2013
theprof00 said:
osed125 said:
theprof00 said:
osed125 said:
theprof00 said:
there isnt even a reliable 360 emulator...

But you can play pirated games on the system. Downside is that MS somehow knows you have a modified system so you can (and probably will) get permaban from Live, the only way to play on Live again is to get a new system, but you can play single player without a problem. 

well that's different from OP though.

You still can't play pirated games on the ps3, only a specific model type or two were able, and only if not updated.

MS did a pretty bad job of protecting the system, but my point is simply that it doesn't just take "a few years" for emulators to run on computers. It takes sometimes a gen or more.

The OP says emulate or hack. Playing pirated games is part of the system being hack. I don't expect to see a PS4 emulator anytime soon (if ever) but the point is that because of very similar architecture to the PC this job will be "easier" (to goes for both playing pirated games and the emulator).

oh sorry. His video is strictly about emulating which is what confused me.
Sony apparently has an arsenal of ways to deal with hacking judging by the many many patents filed over the last many moons.

Yeah he only talks about emulation, but he misses the pirated games which is much easier than emulation. Sony should better be prepared for people wanting to hack their system, just like there are genius people working at Sony there are genius hackers who can find exploits in the PS4 hardware. This also applies to MS and Nintendo.



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SSJGohan3972 on 27 February 2013

what game is he playing in the video?



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ethomaz on 27 February 2013
theprof00 said:

ethomaz said:

For a console like PS4? Well I think it will be before the end of life of PS4 because it is PC arch based but for a console like PS3? I can't see any Cell emulation on recents CPUs... so at least 10 years in the future... even Sony can't emulate Cell now.

haha The man has a point

Just to be clear... it's not because the Cell's power... it's more because the unique Cell's architecture... maybe you need a CPU and a GPU together to emulate the Cell even so emulate the parallel SPUs is harder.

PC have power to emulate but I think not knowledge do emulate the Cell... and try to known the Cell for emulation I think it's a long term task.

The PS2 emulation have a lot of issues yet.



theprof00 on 27 February 2013
ethomaz said:
theprof00 said:

ethomaz said:

For a console like PS4? Well I think it will be before the end of life of PS4 because it is PC arch based but for a console like PS3? I can't see any Cell emulation on recents CPUs... so at least 10 years in the future... even Sony can't emulate Cell now.

haha The man has a point

Just to be clear... it's not because the Cell's power... it's more because the unique Cell's architecture... maybe you need a CPU and a GPU together to emulate the Cell even so emulate the parallel SPUs is harder.

PC have power to emulate but I think not knowledge do emulate the Cell... and try to known the Cell for emulation I think it's a long term task.

The PS2 emulation have a lot of issues yet.

oh yeah, I know, but there was that rumor about the cell on a card for 99$ we were hearing about a while ago..