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6th-7th vs 7th-8th, how do they compare?

It's a much bigger leap 45 7.17%
 
It's a somewhat bigger leap 47 7.48%
 
It's a similar leap 119 18.95%
 
It's a somewhat smaller leap 202 32.17%
 
It's a much smaller leap 214 34.08%
 
Total:627
Grandia on 26 February 2013
Otakumegane said:
Grandia said:
70% of the users here think that the leap form ps 3 to ps 4 is smaller or even way smaller than last generations leap. That showas that almost no one was really impressed by the killzone 4 demo. The only ones who act like it would be impressive are only the playstation fanboys.

Don't try to fool everyone psfangirls the PS4 event was a huge disappointment, no matter how hard you want pretend that the ps4 event was awesome, we all saw the show and it was lame as hell.


Eh..no.

The KZ demo looked fantastic.HOWEVER, it was not the eye-widening OMG leap that most people were hoping for.

The conference itself was kinda lame cause it felt kinda rushed, the MM thing, and  SE trolling.

 

I was not impressed by killzone 4, crysis 3 looks on a highend pc way better than the demo of killzone 4 imo..

The most interessting game at the Sony event was the new Infamous in my opinion but not because the graphics were that awesome.



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Heavenly_King on 26 February 2013
hsrob said:
Heavenly_King said:
Snesboy said:
JoeTheBro said:
Michael-5 said:

From Wii to Wii U, the jump is bigger then last gen. Wii games look slightly better then Gamecube Games, and Wii U games, so far, comparable to PS4 games.


Read your whole post but that completely ruins everything else you have to say. Nothing on Wii U is even comparable to Knack.

Yeah right. Knack looks like the Wonderful 101. Or Project P-100. Whatever it's called. Don't be biased.

Wonderful 101 PICS

I"m not chiming in on the comparison but those 101 screens are from the very earliest build shown, the latest video has shown fairly obvious improvements.

The only difference I see is that the hair is now more glossy :/



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DieAppleDie on 26 February 2013

The Wonderful 101 looks fantastic, much better that Kank for PS4, obviously it isnt as advanced technically as Snack, but Fnac isnt that advanced either compared to Killzone



Michael-5 on 26 February 2013
Weedlab said:
Michael-5 said:

@ the bold. are you inclined to compare Wii U to 8th gen or 7th gen systems

I don't recall people talking about the 360 as an Xbox 1.5 when it released, but I wasn't big on forums back then. I remember when it released, I thought it looked amazing, and the Mad World Gears of War Commercial, that just exploded my head. Looking back though, except for maybe PGR3, launch 360 games weren't that impressive.

So now I understand what you're saying. You're saying that the second wave of PS4/Wii U titles will look better, and then we will be able to see how big of a jump PS4/Wii U really made.

Wii U can't run The Witness? Says who?

I know what you mean about how the next gen is an improvement over this gen. While single animations in KZSF didn't look noticably better then KZ3, that in game rendered town was pretty detailed. To me X looks the same with the huge draw distance, but like many have pointed out, except for landscape there isn't much filling the area. I hope Wii U can process multiple objects well, it looks like it can handle lighting fine. I actually mentioned that in my own thread on PS4.

Anyway, It seems we are at an understanding of each others opinions. I personaly think Wii U's capabilities are close to the PS4/Nextbox, or at least closer then PS2 was to X-Box and Gamecube. So I hope that developers make MP games for Wii U as well. Bungie not releasing Destiny on Wii U despite it releasing on PS3 and 360 seems like a slap in the face, and GTAV might release on PS4/Nextbox too, so that would also be annoying if they ignored Wii U.

So I just want to say that I think that if MP games don't get Wii U iterations this would be because of publisher decisions, and not Wii U's limitations. Wii U is powerful enough to compete with PS4/NextBox IMO, or at the very least see MP titles on it.

What I’m saying is I think the Wii U is closer to current gen than next gen – it is just more powerful than the current gen's offerings (akin to the Xbox and the other 3 consoles at the time). If it were leaps and bounds above current gen I don't think i would struggle to run some games like Ninja Gaiden 3 and Batman AC.

Actually yes it was referred as the Xbox 1.5. Most people were criticizing the graphics as being marginally better than Xbox games. That sentiment changed a year later when Gears of War launched, and all doubts evaporated.

The Wii U’s games will make a leap yes, but I believe by the time it is getting warmed up the PS4/Next Xbox would have already hit the accelerator and would be way beyond the bend.

Says the developer. When asked if the game would grace the Wii U he said it is unlikely for the same reason it will not be going to the PS3/360 – due to low specs. If you need a link I can provide you with one. One could say it is just developer banter, but he has no incentive to exclude a system, especially since he is an indie developer. It seems like the game will be available on PS4, PC and Xbox. How they envisioned the game is appears the Wii U can’t run it. But we will see.

 

And yes it is good to respect one’s opinions, even if we hold divergent opinions. I hope the Wii U does well. I do intend to own one after all. But I see it getting cut out of third party support (crossplatform games). If what the developer of The Witness says is true then it is already starting and PS4/Xbox Next are not even out yet.

I only see Wii U getting crossplat games in a similar vein to Watch Dogs. PS3/360 ported to Wii U, PS4 and Xbox. It should prove to be interesting to see how the Wii U version does against the PS3/360 version and in turn how PS4 does against Wii U. Ubisoft already confirmed the PS4 version will be THE definite version of the game.

Well to each their own. Wii games looked comparable to 6th gen games, I don't think Wii U is in that situation again, but you do. I think the gap from Wii U to PS4/NextBox is a slot smaller then the gap between Wii U and PS4. Do you agree about this?

As for the Witness, I guess it depends on how the game is created. During the 6th gen, most games were developed for the PS2, and then enhanced for the X-Box/Gamecube. If Developers make games for PS4/Nextbox, and then downgrade them for Wii U, then Wii U will loose out on a lot of MP titles. The people behind The Witness could have done this....or they could be covering up a Wii U port, since this is a PS4 "exclusive." or timed exclusive.

As for Ninja Gaiden/Batman, you do realize a lot of early launch games for all platforms are just enhanced versions of earlier generation games. Do you think FIFA 2005/2006 were created for the PS3/360 using a new engine, or did they just enhance the PS2 game? Not huge on FIFA, but wasn't there a huge jump in quality in 2007/2008? Ninja Gaiden and Batman are enhanced ports of existing PS3/360 games, of course PS3 can still play the original versions, or slightly downgraded versions.

As for Cross Platform Play, while many PS3/360/PS4/NextBox games will release for Wii U, not all of them will. Where is Destiny for Wii U? Some devs just ignore Nintendo, specifically western developers. Also many PS3/360 MP games releasing could also be released on the Wii U as well, but aren't. Where is Bioshock Infinite, GTA V, Mass Effect Trilogy, Metal Gear Rising, etc?

Except for Ubisoft, no western developer wants to invest in developing games for Nintendo home consoles, which is a shame.



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gigantor21 on 26 February 2013

The difference is definitely noticeable, but it's still the smallest jump in decades.

I was born during the NES days; everything from the jump to 16-bit to the jump to HD was far bigger IMO. That the games look so much better on PS4 despite not going anywhere new in terms of visuals is just proof that the current gen consoles were ass at handling HD graphics. I see the next gen consoles as what this gen should've been, rather than a huge new step.



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Sparks on 26 February 2013

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JoeTheBro on 26 February 2013
Grandia said:
70% of the users here think that the leap form ps 3 to ps 4 is smaller or even way smaller than last generations leap. That showas that almost no one was really impressed by the killzone 4 demo. The only ones who act like it would be impressive are only the playstation fanboys.

Don't try to fool everyone psfangirls the PS4 event was a huge disappointment, no matter how hard you want pretend that the ps4 event was awesome, we all saw the show and it was lame as hell.



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oni-link on 26 February 2013
DieAppleDie said:
Attoyou said:
curl-6 said:
JoeTheBro said:

People have bad memory. They think back to the best of the PS2 and compare it to the best of today when considering how big the leap was. Well let's look back at the best PS2 game's graphics.

 

Now look at Call of Duty 3

 

Basically it's in HD. Apart from more pixels and more vertices it isn't that much better. In fact GOW 2 can be argued to actually look better if COD is scaled to the same resolution.

That's a really small jump!

Now with PS4 we don't have as large of a pixel jump but we actually have a larger graphics jump.

 

 

That's actually a huge jump! It's a bigger jump than PS2 to PS3.

 

 

Next Gen Wii U title Vs Next Gen PS4 title 

Wii U:

PS4: 

Thats a GEN leap over a next gen system! PS4 more powerful than PC! WOW GDDR5 BEAST SOMETHING SOMETHING CELL 

and /moredumbcomparisonscomingtoavgcnearyou



Which one is Killzone which CoD?

LOL...exactly my point



oni-link on 26 February 2013
Grandia said:
Otakumegane said:
Grandia said:
70% of the users here think that the leap form ps 3 to ps 4 is smaller or even way smaller than last generations leap. That showas that almost no one was really impressed by the killzone 4 demo. The only ones who act like it would be impressive are only the playstation fanboys.

Don't try to fool everyone psfangirls the PS4 event was a huge disappointment, no matter how hard you want pretend that the ps4 event was awesome, we all saw the show and it was lame as hell.


Eh..no.

The KZ demo looked fantastic.HOWEVER, it was not the eye-widening OMG leap that most people were hoping for.

The conference itself was kinda lame cause it felt kinda rushed, the MM thing, and  SE trolling.

 

I was not impressed by killzone 4, crysis 3 looks on a highend pc way better than the demo of killzone 4 imo..

The most interessting game at the Sony event was the new Infamous in my opinion but not because the graphics were that awesome.

Yeah 70% pretty much sums up most non fanatics view of launch PS4 games!  I honestly think that most of those games were not such a huge leap to my X360S (Valhalla vers) top tier games...let alone the Wii U.  Sure the PS4 is more powerful but I doubt the noticeable visual diffrence will be the same ratio as orignal Xbox to X360S level this time around.  Just watch the Jimmy Fallon playthrough and you'll notice nothing too significant (I actually see some bland textures) between shadowfall and current top tier games out for the PS360.  My humble opinion



oni-link on 26 February 2013
JoeTheBro said:
oni-link said:

Dude calm down.  Nobody is saying Wii U is stronger or equal to PS4; it's just the margin between current top tier PS360 games and those shown for the PS4 announcement is not as pronounced as what the hype was is all.  Proof is on the eye of the beholder:


That has been said a lot recently when people try to undermine the PS4's leap. Personally the graphics shown exceeded my expectations.


um...do you think the real reason why it's been said a lot is because that's what it really is at the moment?  C'mon there is no conspiracy theory here the games just don't exactly put current PS360 top tier games out to pasteur.  I'm glad it exceeded your expectations though as it was a huge disappointment for me overall!!!