We are talking about home consoles here (Wii U, PS3, and Xbox 360). Vita is not a home console, it is a portable and its direct competitors are the 3DS and cell phones not 360 and Wii U. Apples to oranges. Xbox is the only home console that offers this service, and that is kind of implied.

Soo... Cross game chat on the Xbox 360 is like totally awesome becaus it's on a home console. But on the vita, it's not worth mentioning because it's a handheld and all? You know, you could just use your vita while playing PS3. It's a little inconvenient, but after all it's free. Besides that, I'm playing a lot of vita at home. 

But with the PS3 it's really just a hardware issue. It's not about money. If the PS3 could handle Cross-Game Chat, it would be there, for free. And it will be there on the PS4, you can count on that. It won't cost a single Cent. It will be even able to Cross-Chat with Vita owners so you can even invite your buddies in the go. 

Also lol at kain_kusanagi. You're really butthurt about PS+, aren't you?

I had to create an account just for this. I have been lurking for a while, but this thread made me laugh.

First of all. Comparing MMO's and Xbox live is silly.

Seems like you have Post-purchase rationalization. Trying to find every possible way to make yourself feel better about paying for a service that is free on other platforms. I don't blame you for that.

Here is an good example.
kain_kusanagi (on 25 June 2010)
Hulu should be free. It's free on the internet. Why would I pay for TV when I already pay for TV? Playstation Plus is so stupid. If you're not paying for playing online then there is no reason to pay. I'm not going to give Sony money for the privilege of letting them hand pick games I can use while I subscribe but never own.

You are thinking also why should i pay for something that is free, but when it comes to Xbox Live your judgement is clouded by being a fanboy. You just are trying to justify your bias every way. So drop your fanboy goggles and  take look at the big picture. After you have done that you can come here and argue if it is worth it or not. At this point you are just grasping at straws.

Lol, I actually found more, but I figured three examples was enough. In his defense, Kain has made a lot of comments on this site, so I don't blame him for not remembering that he posted the exact same things he's complaining about in this thread.

That's EXACTLY how I feel, I've built up too big of a library to just sell it now. I've even sold games on the PS3 to buy them on the Xbox 360 instead.

I have three issues with PS+. Sony picks the games, you lose the games if you stop paying and I prefer physical media with full ownership rights, but that last one is just a personal thing.

As for the specific quotes you gave, they are out of context, but I do stand by them. They are however nothing compared to the level of vitral that Xbox Live inspires in it's haters. I don't hate PS+ I just don't think it's as good of a deal as others do the same way I don't subscribe to a jelly of the month club because I don't want a bunch of fars of jelly that may not want to taste. For some reason this viewpoint offends some people so I have to explain it over and over.

I'm going to use google too.

kain_kusanagi on 12/05/12 "I don't want to divert this thread any more than it already has. My original point was that PS+ isn't as valuable to some as it is to others. I'm glad you like it. I'm not interested. I've stated why enough."

It's not as if I post threads about how much I despise PS+ like some do with Xbox Live. I responded to some threads or posts and gave an opinion that was completely in context. I made this thread because of all the people who make topics complaining about XBL Gold who don't want anything to do with Xbox in the first place. Like I said at the bottom of the thread, I'm not asking anyone to buy XBL Gold.

There is a fundamental difference between the services. XBL Gold is required to play Halo 4 online, and like I've said if it was free I'd be happy about that, but it's not so I pay the tiny fee. PS+ is voluntary and if I'm not interested in the games I'm not going to volunteer that money even if it is a good deal to those that the games do interest. These opinions are not mutually exclusive. PSN and XBL are the same, PS+ is a completely different beast.

As for the Hulu comment specificaly. I have always disliked MS's stance on keeping stuff like Hulu and Netflix exclusive to Gold members. I've NEVER defended that and I do think it's wrong to charge money to access stuff people already subscribe to. But that's not what I as a gamer pay for XBLG for. I pay for XBLG for games so I don't talk much about the apps.

If you don't believe about Hulu and junk, here's another googled link:

kain_kusanagi on 08/30/10 "They've added a lot of stuff like ESPN and such. Personally I'd like a subscription rate for people who play less than 5 hours a week. There could be a Platinum XBL at $59.99 for unlimited gameplay and services and a limited Gold XBL subscription for people like me who don't play that much but still want to play from time to time for say $19.99. Silver would still be free. The only paid service I use besides the occasional game of Halo Firefight with my brothers is Netflix and that could be like small additional fee for silver and gold users and standard with Platinum. MS would never do that, but that's what I'd like."

I don't LOVE XBLG and I don't HATE PS+. I pay the price for the games I want to play and I don't see the value in games picked out for me. But niether of these opinions invalidates the observation that in this forum and elsewere people despise the tiny fee for XBLG who claim not to want it.

I play my PS3 almost as much as my 360 so I can tell you that fanboyism isn't the perspective I'm coming from. I have more Sony products than MS products and more Nintendo products than both.

Non-tech person here.

I just want to ask, when you play, say, BF3 on the 360, you're playing on EA's servers right? When you play a game like CoD, it's P2P right (dunno how it exactly works).

So as far as my understanding goes, the X-Box live mainly provides things like the profile, giving messages to other people, etc? They don't actually host anything do they?

Kain_kusanagi its hard to take you seriously when you post so much bullshit. You are contradicting yourself. Let it go, you lost all your credibility on this matter earlier. You are again picking 1 post from tons of your posts. Most of them bash the PSN+ and Hulu post. We don't need anymore proof.

Akvod - yeah. Xbox live doesn't host the game servers. They are just the middle man basically and host services like profile/messages and so on.

Excuse me guy with 3 posts. You know me?

Then do you think it's fair to say that comparing LIVE to something like a F2P MMO (which involves actually creating the game and hosting it) is very misleading?