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DanneSandin on 23 February 2013
sethnintendo said:
So Nintendo is only to blame... Third party companies don't deserve any blame. Thanks for the laugh.


well, it WAS nintendo that canclelled two third party games and not the publisher... two core games.



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DanneSandin on 23 February 2013
curl-6 said:
DanneSandin said:
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S.T.A.G.E. said:
VGKing said:
Look at the power difference between PS4 and Wii U. There's your main problem.
Game developers will not compromise their games vision just to accommodate the Wii U. It's just not going to happen, especially with the way Wii U is selling now.


The problem with Nintendo that people havent seen is that Nintendo has held back devs in one way or another to form fit their standards rather than vice versa. Its been like this for over twenty years, its just that when Sony and Microsoft came everyone started to notice what the real problem was when devs fled to Sony to give them the specs they needed to fly.

It's like you're the only one that understands STAGE!! THIS is what I'm talking about! Nintendo is holding 3rd parties back so that their 1st party games look so much better than other games...

Sorry, but that sounds like a bit of tinfoil hat conspiracy theory to me. Nintendo's games are almost never about pushing technically intensive graphics.

No, they're not about looking pretty, they're about game play. Thing is, they're making 3rd parties work so much harder on the HW because they have to work around the restrictions that Nintendo has set up. This is one of the reasons why Wii saw so little support except for shovelware; restrictions that made a hard HW even harder to work with. And btw, you don't think that Rol's theory of 3rd parties being biased and not wanting to make money sounds like a tin foil theory?

The Wii's TEV hardware was totally different to the other consoles, that's why it was hard to develop for.

As for 3rd parties and Nintendo, the 3rd parties think Nintendo gamers only buy Nintendo software, so they don't invest, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Isn't that last part a bit of a tinfoil-hat conspiracy?? Where is YOUR evidence? Can you back that up? I have backed up my claims (somewhat anyways).

And why didn't 3rd parties develop Wii exclusive titles?? because it's too hard? BS! PS3 was also HARD to develop for, but it got ports and exclusives. Why didn't Wii get that? Sure it was a hard piece of HW, but so were PS3 - I'm telling you; Nintendo restricted the HW to 3rd parties making it even harder.

You're asking ME for evidence? What I've said is well known,the burden of proof is on you, and you have shown none.

On Wii, third parties had to compete with Nintendo first party software, and for a smaller "core" gamer crowd. Some actually put the effort, and were rewarded with success: Goldeneye 007 and Monster Hunter 3, for example. Others just figured it was easier to develop for systems with bigger "core" userbases and less first party competition.

where is the proof that third parties just thought fuck it! lets just develop for the hd twins instead of wii... and i think theres quite a few games that show they can do very well despite nintendos first party games, so that argument is invalid. this third party mentality is mere speculation from nintendo fans.



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Roma on 23 February 2013

seriously man Nintendo wants 3rd party games and if it was as easy as letting devs use the 200 something extra ram then they would do it

this just sounds silly



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

saicho on 23 February 2013
DanneSandin said:
saicho said:
Roma said:
DanneSandin said:
Roma said:
Danne are you trolling us? If Nintendo said devs will have access to 1gb for games why should they get less?

I'm sad to tell you I'm not trolling =( this is all things I've heard from within the business. I don't know anything more than you do. I have no idea why Nintendo is doing this. My source says he thought it might be because Nintendo will bring out a NEW console rather soon (sooner than thought anyways), but that's all speculation

sorry man your friends friend doesn't sound reliable at all I mean there were a lot of people expecting Killzone 4 and PS4 being as powerful as the rumors say anyone could tell that it would look amazing

Nintendo never let power be the deciding factor into releasing a new console because others have much more power. releasing a new console will only damage Nintendos image

was this person Pachter btw?

That's who I have in mind cause it sounds like him... haha

OP: Nintendo cancelled two almost complete 3 rd party games yet no other source is reporting it? That makes even less sense than Nintendo cancelling 3rd party games.

And that's what I'm trying to say: Nintendo isn't making ANY sense these days! I was shocked when I learned they canclled these two games. One hasn't been announced yet - at all (survival horror) - and the other I'm not too sure about... It's a long running series though. I did a quick googling and it would seem that the second game actually HAS been announced, just not which platforms it's coming to...

You are missing the point. In this day and age, every media outlet is looking for hits. Information like this would generate hits but yet no other source is reporting it. so either your "friend" is really high up in the industry or more connected than all the gaming media out there or this is just a rumor started by someone.



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.

sethnintendo on 23 February 2013
DanneSandin said:
sethnintendo said:
So Nintendo is only to blame... Third party companies don't deserve any blame. Thanks for the laugh.


well, it WAS nintendo that canclelled two third party games and not the publisher... two core games.



What are the two core games that were cancelled? Can you specify the genres at least or ip names of such titles or are you too scared of a NDA? You are probably talking to the wrong person about core games considering I view Animal Crossing as a core game.



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Roma on 23 February 2013
sethnintendo said:
DanneSandin said:
sethnintendo said:
So Nintendo is only to blame... Third party companies don't deserve any blame. Thanks for the laugh.


well, it WAS nintendo that canclelled two third party games and not the publisher... two core games.



What are the two core games that were cancelled? Can you specify the genres at least or ip names of such titles or are you too scared of a NDA? You are probably talking to the wrong person about core games considering I view Animal Crossing as a core game.

well any game you need to put in a lot of hours in is a core game. casual games are usually play a couple of min and then leave it

so you are right about AC

any one judging a game by how it looks is a fool



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

Otakumegane on 23 February 2013

A lot of things in this thread doesn't make sense at all.



http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/profile/92109/nintendopie/ Nintendopie  Was obviously right and I was obviously wrong. I will forever be a lesser being than them. (6/16/13)

DanneSandin on 23 February 2013
sethnintendo said:
DanneSandin said:
sethnintendo said:
So Nintendo is only to blame... Third party companies don't deserve any blame. Thanks for the laugh.


well, it WAS nintendo that canclelled two third party games and not the publisher... two core games.



What are the two core games that were cancelled? Can you specify the genres at least or ip names of such titles or are you too scared of a NDA? You are probably talking to the wrong person about core games considering I view Animal Crossing as a core game.

Game1: Multiplat that's already been announced for release this year (according to Wiki), action adventure, first game was on the NES

Game2: WAS exclusive, not announced, survival horror.



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DanneSandin on 23 February 2013
Roma said:
seriously man Nintendo wants 3rd party games and if it was as easy as letting devs use the 200 something extra ram then they would do it

this just sounds silly

Yes, it sounds very very silly! I was stunned when I first all of this, I really was. But this source has turned out to be a credible one



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DanneSandin on 23 February 2013
saicho said:
DanneSandin said:
saicho said:
Roma said:
DanneSandin said:
Roma said:
Danne are you trolling us? If Nintendo said devs will have access to 1gb for games why should they get less?

I'm sad to tell you I'm not trolling =( this is all things I've heard from within the business. I don't know anything more than you do. I have no idea why Nintendo is doing this. My source says he thought it might be because Nintendo will bring out a NEW console rather soon (sooner than thought anyways), but that's all speculation

sorry man your friends friend doesn't sound reliable at all I mean there were a lot of people expecting Killzone 4 and PS4 being as powerful as the rumors say anyone could tell that it would look amazing

Nintendo never let power be the deciding factor into releasing a new console because others have much more power. releasing a new console will only damage Nintendos image

was this person Pachter btw?

That's who I have in mind cause it sounds like him... haha

OP: Nintendo cancelled two almost complete 3 rd party games yet no other source is reporting it? That makes even less sense than Nintendo cancelling 3rd party games.

And that's what I'm trying to say: Nintendo isn't making ANY sense these days! I was shocked when I learned they canclled these two games. One hasn't been announced yet - at all (survival horror) - and the other I'm not too sure about... It's a long running series though. I did a quick googling and it would seem that the second game actually HAS been announced, just not which platforms it's coming to...

You are missing the point. In this day and age, every media outlet is looking for hits. Information like this would generate hits but yet no other source is reporting it. so either your "friend" is really high up in the industry or more connected than all the gaming media out there or this is just a rumor started by someone.

I'm sure not EVERY canclelled game gets reported...



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