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rutea7 said:
tagging because of all those predictions

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=155705&page=1

There's all the predictions I have.



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curl-6 said:
DanneSandin said:
curl-6 said:
What's the logic in denying devs access to 1/4 of your system's available RAM? Or is it a case of laziness/incompetence rather than sabotage?

The reason as far as I understand it is to make Nintendo's own games look and run much better than 3rd parties. And tihs is apparently something they've done since the GC days, or even earlier.

The games don't seem to show this though; Nintendo's games have an edge, but that makes sense as its their hardware and they are familiar with it. Meanwhile, 3rd party games like Rogue Squadron 2 & 3 and Resident Evil 4 surpassed any Nintendo 'Cube title.

Then how do you explain the lack of GOOD 3rd party support on the Wii then? THE best selling console of the 7th gen. Developers really wanted to make games for it, but the HW was so restricted they thought "fuck it" and just released shovelware and poor ass ports.

I explained that: "The Wii's TEV hardware was totally different to the other consoles, that's why it was hard to develop for.

3rd parties think Nintendo gamers only buy Nintendo software, so they don't invest, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy."



Immortal said:
DanneSandin said:
Immortal said:
I'm tempted to think this is a joke thread. The "even though I didn't say anything" part is too convincing here.

Am I wrong?

I'm not joking: Nintendo is withholding (or rather did anyways) RAM from the 3rd parties so that Nintendo games will look better. That's what caused EA to walk out on the Wii U. And check out my PS4 e3 prediction: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=155705&page=1 If that comes true it should show that I have inside information about all of this.


Maybe you're right. I can't say for sure. But right now you're just saying a bunch of random stuff without telling us your source and while having zero credibility.

If you get your PS4 E3 predictions right, then we maybe we'll take you seriously. Right now, you're just trolling Nintendo without evidence.  The best thing you can do right now is ask some moderator to close this thread for you.

No, I will not close this thread. I really do think people need to hear the truth about Nintendo. Look, I love Nintendo; I love Mario and Zelda, but I want them to be even better - and they'll never be that as long as they treat 3rd parties as shit. That has to end. I'm not trolling anyone. Come e3 and I should be proven right. If my PS4 predictions come true you'll know I have inside information, and I should be taken more seriously when I'm bashing Nintendo like this. People are always blaiming 3rd parties for the crappy support, when they should blame Nintendo.



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Furthermore, I think VGChartz should add a "Like"-button.

curl-6 said:
DanneSandin said:
curl-6 said:
DanneSandin said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
VGKing said:
Look at the power difference between PS4 and Wii U. There's your main problem.
Game developers will not compromise their games vision just to accommodate the Wii U. It's just not going to happen, especially with the way Wii U is selling now.


The problem with Nintendo that people havent seen is that Nintendo has held back devs in one way or another to form fit their standards rather than vice versa. Its been like this for over twenty years, its just that when Sony and Microsoft came everyone started to notice what the real problem was when devs fled to Sony to give them the specs they needed to fly.

It's like you're the only one that understands STAGE!! THIS is what I'm talking about! Nintendo is holding 3rd parties back so that their 1st party games look so much better than other games...

Sorry, but that sounds like a bit of tinfoil hat conspiracy theory to me. Nintendo's games are almost never about pushing technically intensive graphics.

No, they're not about looking pretty, they're about game play. Thing is, they're making 3rd parties work so much harder on the HW because they have to work around the restrictions that Nintendo has set up. This is one of the reasons why Wii saw so little support except for shovelware; restrictions that made a hard HW even harder to work with. And btw, you don't think that Rol's theory of 3rd parties being biased and not wanting to make money sounds like a tin foil theory?

The Wii's TEV hardware was totally different to the other consoles, that's why it was hard to develop for.

As for 3rd parties and Nintendo, the 3rd parties think Nintendo gamers only buy Nintendo software, so they don't invest, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Isn't that last part a bit of a tinfoil-hat conspiracy?? Where is YOUR evidence? Can you back that up? I have backed up my claims (somewhat anyways).

And why didn't 3rd parties develop Wii exclusive titles?? because it's too hard? BS! PS3 was also HARD to develop for, but it got ports and exclusives. Why didn't Wii get that? Sure it was a hard piece of HW, but so were PS3 - I'm telling you; Nintendo restricted the HW to 3rd parties making it even harder.



I'm on Twitter @DanneSandin!

Furthermore, I think VGChartz should add a "Like"-button.

DanneSandin said:
Cobretti2 said:
DanneSandin said:
coolguy said:
nintendo should let 3th party devs have all of 1 gig of ram

I know, they really should! Perhaps they have now, but that wasn't the case up until quite late...


big deal. This is what early dev kits are. peice of hardware that is subject to change. Perhaps Nitendo were still optiminsg OS before testing out if their games could use the full 1gb.

As I said before if this is a reason why 3rd parties are dropping support then it is a bullshit reason. which can be addded to the many other BS reasons.

 

Thing is though, that Nintendo developers (1st party studios) had full access to the whole 1gb RAM; they were just not permitting 3rd parties access to it - THAT'S what's fucked up. The were clearly restricting 3rd parties so that their own games could run better and look better.


The way you write you sound almos believable, however there is one problem with your conspiracy.

ZERO Nintendo games look better than the 3rd party offerings lol. They themsleves even admitted they needed to learn how to make HD games. 



 

 

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DanneSandin said:
curl-6 said:
DanneSandin said:
curl-6 said:
DanneSandin said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
VGKing said:
Look at the power difference between PS4 and Wii U. There's your main problem.
Game developers will not compromise their games vision just to accommodate the Wii U. It's just not going to happen, especially with the way Wii U is selling now.


The problem with Nintendo that people havent seen is that Nintendo has held back devs in one way or another to form fit their standards rather than vice versa. Its been like this for over twenty years, its just that when Sony and Microsoft came everyone started to notice what the real problem was when devs fled to Sony to give them the specs they needed to fly.

It's like you're the only one that understands STAGE!! THIS is what I'm talking about! Nintendo is holding 3rd parties back so that their 1st party games look so much better than other games...

Sorry, but that sounds like a bit of tinfoil hat conspiracy theory to me. Nintendo's games are almost never about pushing technically intensive graphics.

No, they're not about looking pretty, they're about game play. Thing is, they're making 3rd parties work so much harder on the HW because they have to work around the restrictions that Nintendo has set up. This is one of the reasons why Wii saw so little support except for shovelware; restrictions that made a hard HW even harder to work with. And btw, you don't think that Rol's theory of 3rd parties being biased and not wanting to make money sounds like a tin foil theory?

The Wii's TEV hardware was totally different to the other consoles, that's why it was hard to develop for.

As for 3rd parties and Nintendo, the 3rd parties think Nintendo gamers only buy Nintendo software, so they don't invest, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Isn't that last part a bit of a tinfoil-hat conspiracy?? Where is YOUR evidence? Can you back that up? I have backed up my claims (somewhat anyways).

And why didn't 3rd parties develop Wii exclusive titles?? because it's too hard? BS! PS3 was also HARD to develop for, but it got ports and exclusives. Why didn't Wii get that? Sure it was a hard piece of HW, but so were PS3 - I'm telling you; Nintendo restricted the HW to 3rd parties making it even harder.

You're asking ME for evidence? What I've said is well known,the burden of proof is on you, and you have shown none.

On Wii, third parties had to compete with Nintendo first party software, and for a smaller "core" gamer crowd. Some actually put the effort, and were rewarded with success: Goldeneye 007 and Monster Hunter 3, for example. Others just figured it was easier to develop for systems with bigger "core" userbases and less first party competition.



Aielyn said:
DanneSandin said:
Aielyn said:
DanneSandin said:

EDIT: I'm backing up ALL my claims (how Nintendo is treating 3rd parties shitty and the cancelled games) with that I know what will happen at e3 during Sonys presentation, but since I can't tell you what games will be announcened I will simply tell you that there will be megatons at this years e3. We will see and old friend return to playstation, we will get a remake that will blow people away and we will see a former exclusive xbox title cause meltdowns, AND PS4 will get a BIG online service that no one has seen coming. If at least half of these predictions come true it should prove that I know a thing or two of what is going on within the industry, and thus prove that I know what I'm alking about in the OP.

You know, it's funny, but your edit actually makes me less inclined to believe you.

How come?

Multiple reasons. Let's start with your choice of words in a few spots. "Megatons" and "meltdowns" are a bit of an issue (as is "shitty"), but the real word that jumps out at me is "predictions".

Well, I actually fail to see how me using "megatons" and "meltdowns" would make you trust me any less... Remember; English is not my first language...

Then there's the attitude - talking about how, if certain claims come true, it'll somehow prove that you're not making it up. Never mind that more than half of your "predictions" are pretty much what everyone expects anyway, that one of your predictions is "a series that was exclusive going multiplatform", and that somehow the fact that the online service will be "BIG" is meant to somehow be convincing in any way.

If my predictions come true it should prove that I have inside information, don't you think? http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=155705&page=1 Perhaps you'll see that I'm predicting things people aren't expecting - especially the price point. Right now I'm the only dude on the internet claiming a $349 price point. I can even explain why.

But more than anything else, it's the fact that you felt that you needed to prove yourself, and so you provided vague "predictions" of what would be shown at E3. You could have gotten some piece of information that would be cryptic now, but absolutely clear once it was announced (not something vague, but something specific, like some word in a game title, or something like that), or you could have simply said that you couldn't prove the validity without breaking trust, and left it at that.

If one cannot back up the claims laid fourth, no one will believe you and ask that you back your claims up - so I tried as best I could to back up the claim that I have inside information. That is all.

Neither would be particularly convincing, but they wouldn't have made me less trusting of your claims compared with complete silence on the question of trustworthiness.

Beyond that, in combination with your actual content, it rings of third-hand claims. Lies almost always build themselves around truths that can be found easily - the rumours of Wii U game cancellations had been swirling for the last couple of weeks already. Note that I'm not actually accusing you of lying - it's not a lie if you believe it to be true, and I can entirely believe that you were told it and passed it on.

I can't answer this properly without risking my source - I think... This is second hand claims is all I can say...

Oh, and one last thing - even if you had a lot of information about what was happening regarding the PS4, I cannot see any reason to think that this would in any way prove that what you say regarding the Wii U is accurate - knowing someone connected to Sony doesn't give you information about Nintendo, for instance.

My information comes from a 3rd party developer, not Sony...

So, yeah, like I said, your edit makes me less inclined to believe you.





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Furthermore, I think VGChartz should add a "Like"-button.

DanneSandin said:
Immortal said:
DanneSandin said:
Immortal said:
I'm tempted to think this is a joke thread. The "even though I didn't say anything" part is too convincing here.

Am I wrong?

I'm not joking: Nintendo is withholding (or rather did anyways) RAM from the 3rd parties so that Nintendo games will look better. That's what caused EA to walk out on the Wii U. And check out my PS4 e3 prediction: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=155705&page=1 If that comes true it should show that I have inside information about all of this.


Maybe you're right. I can't say for sure. But right now you're just saying a bunch of random stuff without telling us your source and while having zero credibility.

If you get your PS4 E3 predictions right, then we maybe we'll take you seriously. Right now, you're just trolling Nintendo without evidence.  The best thing you can do right now is ask some moderator to close this thread for you.

No, I will not close this thread. I really do think people need to hear the truth about Nintendo. Look, I love Nintendo; I love Mario and Zelda, but I want them to be even better - and they'll never be that as long as they treat 3rd parties as shit. That has to end. I'm not trolling anyone. Come e3 and I should be proven right. If my PS4 predictions come true you'll know I have inside information, and I should be taken more seriously when I'm bashing Nintendo like this. People are always blaiming 3rd parties for the crappy support, when they should blame Nintendo.

Bullshit

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monkeyade said:
DanneSandin said:
Immortal said:
DanneSandin said:
Immortal said:
I'm tempted to think this is a joke thread. The "even though I didn't say anything" part is too convincing here.

Am I wrong?

I'm not joking: Nintendo is withholding (or rather did anyways) RAM from the 3rd parties so that Nintendo games will look better. That's what caused EA to walk out on the Wii U. And check out my PS4 e3 prediction: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=155705&page=1 If that comes true it should show that I have inside information about all of this.


Maybe you're right. I can't say for sure. But right now you're just saying a bunch of random stuff without telling us your source and while having zero credibility.

If you get your PS4 E3 predictions right, then we maybe we'll take you seriously. Right now, you're just trolling Nintendo without evidence.  The best thing you can do right now is ask some moderator to close this thread for you.

No, I will not close this thread. I really do think people need to hear the truth about Nintendo. Look, I love Nintendo; I love Mario and Zelda, but I want them to be even better - and they'll never be that as long as they treat 3rd parties as shit. That has to end. I'm not trolling anyone. Come e3 and I should be proven right. If my PS4 predictions come true you'll know I have inside information, and I should be taken more seriously when I'm bashing Nintendo like this. People are always blaiming 3rd parties for the crappy support, when they should blame Nintendo.

Bullshit

You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!



I'm on Twitter @DanneSandin!

Furthermore, I think VGChartz should add a "Like"-button.

So Nintendo is only to blame... Third party companies don't deserve any blame. Thanks for the laugh.