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italo244 on 22 February 2013
Slimebeast said:
I seriously doubt the RAM is gonna cost more than the CPU, motherboard and GPU combined.

Even if that 8GB GDDR5 memory might be costly today it's not going to be by the time when PS4 launches.

Yeah, right, cuz they will start manufacturing when PS4 launches. 



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PlaystaionGamer on 22 February 2013

The proe Sony will get thae parts I think will be lower. Especially the fact they will be ordering say 20millioniah in the first 2 years (hopefully more around 1 year ;P )



Cobretti2 on 22 February 2013
italo244 said:
Slimebeast said:
I seriously doubt the RAM is gonna cost more than the CPU, motherboard and GPU combined.

Even if that 8GB GDDR5 memory might be costly today it's not going to be by the time when PS4 launches.

Yeah, right, cuz they will start manufacturing when PS4 launches. 


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italo244 on 22 February 2013
Cobretti2 said:
italo244 said:
Slimebeast said:
I seriously doubt the RAM is gonna cost more than the CPU, motherboard and GPU combined.

Even if that 8GB GDDR5 memory might be costly today it's not going to be by the time when PS4 launches.

Yeah, right, cuz they will start manufacturing when PS4 launches. 


did you hear? nano bots will be building the ps4 from scratch in your house, so no need for contracts and orders to be in place before launch.

Seems legit! hahahaha



Incubi on 22 February 2013

This pretty much confirm my estimate of a 499 launchprice, which consumers will find acceptable for premium technology.

I'm curious to see if Microsoft will attempt to undercut that pricing significantly since they can afford to take a serious loss on hardware this holiday, just to screw Sony.



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sales2099 on 22 February 2013

$400 you say? Sounds reasonable



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nightsurge on 22 February 2013
ethomaz said:

I'm just copying a thread in GAF / Beyond3D.

  • APU (CPU/GPU) - 85-90
  • 8GB GDDR5 - 110-140
  • OS Chip (supposedly ARM based) - 12-18
  • Video encode/decode chip - 8-12
  • Blu-ray drive - 18-25
  • Hard drive - 38-50
  • I/O - 9-12
  • Wireless chip + antenna - 4
  • HDMI+HDCP - 11-15
  • Other - 25-35

 

Total - 320-401

* These figures are preliminary, and do not include assembly costs, power costs, cooling or shipping as the final design has not been shown and can't be estimated at this time *

Thanks GAF@Hardknock
Let's see what was forgot:
  • motherboard - 25-30
  • DualShock4 controller - 30-40
  • Headset - 5
  • PS4 Eye thing - 60-70
  • Casing, cooling, packaging, storing, shipping - 25-35
Not to mention I feel like their APU estimate is way off. The cheapest AMD retail CPU for 8 cores is $160 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103961) and that's not even an APU! Meaning that price does not even include the GPU part. Considering the most expensive APU is $130 retail with only a quad-core and HD 7000 series graphics, I am thinking that an 8-core APU with HD 7000 graphics of decent power would be minimum 120-130 even after the Sony bulk discount. Granted this price will shrink massively over the first 3 years, as will all parts, but I think a more accurate estimated total would be:
  • APU (CPU/GPU) - 85-90 120-130
  • 8GB GDDR5 - 110-140
  • OS Chip (supposedly ARM based) - 12-18
  • Video encode/decode chip - 8-12
  • Blu-ray drive - 18-25
  • Hard drive - 38-50
  • I/O - 9-12
  • Wireless chip + antenna - 4
  • HDMI+HDCP - 11-15
  • Other - 25-35
  • motherboard - 25-30
  • DualShock4 controller - 30-40
  • Headset - 5
  • PS4 Eye thing - 60-70 (may be lowballing this, even)
  • Casing, cooling, packaging, storing, shipping - 25-35

Total:  ~$500-615

Even if you take out their OTHER $25-35 since that may have covered some of the stuff I added, that leaves it at $475-580. Granted, this is no where near as bad as the PS3's initial costs, but Sony will initially have to take a loss if they want a $400-450 price point, or launch at $500 or more again.



KHlover on 22 February 2013
Eddie_Raja said:
KHlover said:
APU (CPU/GPU) - 85-90

Of course I don't know much about Sony's contracts with AMD, but $90 for an 8-core CPU and a DX11 GPU combined sounds a bit too low to be believeable.


As I keep saying, non-PC people have no idea how affordable PC components are now.  

 

I could build a Wii U level gaming build for ~$300 or less.

Edit: I just built something stronger than the Wii U for $280:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811208056

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157332

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113288

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148499

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152288

Funny dude, I am a PC guy. And somehow your APU does not have eight cores^^

But I agree, console people vastly overestimate what it costs to build a good PC. 



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Soleron on 22 February 2013

The silicon cost for a CPU/GPU is much less than the retail price. Like $50 vs $150. You can do the maths on TSMC 28nm wafer prices (public) and estimates of die sizes.



outlawauron on 22 February 2013
Soleron said:
The silicon cost for a CPU/GPU is much less than the retail price. Like $50 vs $150. You can do the maths on TSMC 28nm wafer prices (public) and estimates of die sizes.

This. People dont' realize how high margin is on these components. There's a reason why NewEgg can have so many sales.



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